Global warming?

John Nebel nebel at ATHENA.CSDCO.COM
Mon Jun 30 18:21:37 MDT 1997

Ok, Stephen, I admit to trolling for a discussion.

Your logic works for ice on land, but not ice on top of something floating
as you said.  An ice-capped floating thing would displace water equal to
ice on top of it, then float higher when ice melted, leaving the ocean the
same depth.

I'd want to make damn sure how much ice is floating (submarines travel
under the ice caps, right?), and how much isn't before trading in the Jeep

It's unclear to me that man can do much about the climate, it may be
arrogance to think otherwise.

Thanks to an earlier discussion on this list, I have been reading Teller's
book on energy.

We live in an improbable time, a warm spot in an ice age.  Don't think a
reasonable person would want to predict whether the next century will be
warmer or cooler than this.

John Nebel

On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Stephen A. Frye wrote:

> >
> >As for oceans rising, a simple experiment one could perform is to put an
> >ice cube in a glass of water.  Mark the water level.  Some ice (1/7, right?)
> >is above the water.  As the ice melts, the water level will not rise, at
> >least that is what I think should happen remembering high school
> >chemistry, ice floating because it is less dense than water, water
> >exhibiting the rather rare characteristic of expanding with temperature
> >reduction, at least near freezing.
> Absolutely - on the other hand, put an ice cube on top of something
> floating in the water, melt it, and watch the water level.
> Stephen Frye

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