The fur will fly now.

Ray Thomas raythomas101 at HOTMAIL.COM
Thu Jan 13 08:37:59 MST 2000


The problem is that with 80% (nationally by their own figures) of all
"reports" of child abuse being "unsustainable" (their word) with them
spending loads of time on almost all of them, even when there is no evidence
of abuse, holding hearing after hearing, forcing parents to "jump through
hoops" in efforts to get their children back, they just don't have time to
get to all of them.

Consequently, many cases of REAL child abuse "fall through the cracks" while
they're going after innocents.

The cases where they refuse to take the children are caused by the fact that
today, since they've taken children with such abandon over the years, they
are running out of places to put them. It's a hole they've dug for

Notice I said "take the child as a FIRST OPTION." They call it "erring on
the side of the child," not even considering that to take a child away from
loving parents who have NOT abused them is child abuse of the first water.

And statistics prove that the children are much more apt to be abused in
foster care than they ever were at home. You may have missed a post I made
the other day about a child in Georgia who was murdered by his foster mother
in which it was noted that more than 800 children, just in Georgia alone,
have died while in foster care, many of them through abuse of the foster
parents or others in the home. If you'd like to see it, ask for the article
about "Terrell."

If you're really interested in finding out more about this, go to the "Child
Protector Watch" web site/newsletter and read everything you can there.
Especially read: "Target: Your Child" and "Manual for the Falsely Accused."

I am in no way against efforts to protect children and I am NOT unalterably
on the side of the parents. My efforts are geared toward protecting BOTH the
children AND the parents from the child saver SYSTEM which is abusing both
the way it is being used, while hoping to improve the system so that so many
people, children and parents, are no longer abused by the system.

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I've been writing about the intent to take control of your children for some
time now. And others are just now beginning to realize it, although they
haven't made the connection to the "child protector scam." Here's part of a
blurb for a new book by Regenery, "Hell to Pay," about Hillary Clinton's
quest for power:

"'ll discover Hillary's 'vision' for American family life in the 21st
century ... a 'brave new world' in which mothers and fathers take a backseat
to an army of teachers, pediatricians and social workers who will take over
the main task of child rearing. In Hillary's America, social workers will
even be allowed to make 'preemptive visits' -- like  Gestapo agents in Nazi
Germany -- into the private homes of parents earmarked as 'at risk' for 'bad
parenting.' The determination of what constitutes 'bad parenting' will, of
course, be made by the most politically correct of government bureaucrats."

In other words, a bureaucrat gets to "define" you as being a "bad parent" on
a whim and then the child protector Gestapo can enter your home at will,
without a warrant, based on that whim. This is a major part of "Hillary's

                    -From "Random Shots" in the "Forced Altruism List


All Children Are Crazy!

"During the 1973 International Education Seminar, Harvard psychiatrist
Chester M. Pierce, speaking as an expert in public education, said: "Every
child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because
he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, toward
our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural
being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's
up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well by creating the
international child of the future."
                    Chester M. Pierce, Harvard psychiatrist,
                    speaking as an expert in public education at the
                    1973 International Education Seminar


>From: Susan Correll <SusanCorrell at WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>Reply-To: Open discussion of current events <RUSHTALK at>
>Subject: Re: The fur will fly now.
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:55:58 -0500
>Well, I don't know about that Ray.  There are many cases of kids being
>beating over and over by their parents and yet the system insists that they
>stay with these abusing parents.  I don't know what's worse our system or
>the bastards that abuse it
> > From: Ray Thomas <raythomas101 at HOTMAIL.COM>
> > To: RUSHTALK at
> > Subject: Re: The fur will fly now.
> > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:33 AM
> >
> > Susan:
> >
> > Except, even in this country, the "child protectors" go about,
> > taking children from their families as a "FIRST option" and doing
> > they can to keep them and put them up for adoption even if no charges
> > ever be made against the parents. Why do not more parents "go postal" on
> > these people?
> >
> >
> > ------
> >
> > >From: Susan Correll <SusanCorrell at WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
> > >Reply-To: Open discussion of current events <RUSHTALK at>
> > >To: RUSHTALK at
> > >Subject: Re: The fur will fly now.
> > >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:17:05 -0500
> > >
> > >Isn't it funny?  We all think how awful it is that all these illegals
> > >constantly pounding our borders and how they need to come here legally,
> > >like Jose and his dad.  But, if faced with that which Jim just
> > >we would do whatever we had to, break everyone of our beliefs, even
> > >to protect our children. Borders be damned my children come first.
> > >
> > >Sue
> > >----------
> > > > From: Jim Nantz <jnantz at STUDENT.GC.MARICOPA.EDU>
> > > > To: RUSHTALK at
> > > > Subject: Re: The fur will fly now.
> > > > Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 12:02 PM
> > > >
> > > > If I lived in a country where it was a very real possibility I
> > > > could be sent to prison for many years for complaining to my
> > > > neighbor about the government.
> > > >
> > > > If I lived in a country where people used to have plenty to eat,
> > > > but food was now being rationed because the government screwed
> > > > things up to the point there isn't enough food and children were
> > > > forced to work for months in the fields of government run farms
> > > > because there wasn't any fuel for the tractors.
> > > >
> > > > If I lived in a country where the government tried to jam
> > > > foreign tv broadcasts because those broadcasts disagreed with
> > > > government propaganda.
> > > >
> > > > If I lived in a country where my son would not have the chance
> > > > to have a better life than I had.
> > > >
> > > > If all these things were true and I had a son, I would be
> > > > grateful to my ex wife for giving her life to take my son to a
> > > > place
> > > >
> > > > where he would have the opportunity to make the most of himself
> > > >
> > > > where he could get a top rate education, where he would have the
> > > > opportunity to pick up a phone, tell millions of people
> > > > nationwide how he disagreed with government policy and not have
> > > > to worry about the secret police knocking on his door in the
> > > > middle of the night
> > > >
> > > > where if he got sick he would have the best medical care
> > > > available anywhere
> > > >
> > > > where he would not be treated as a slave
> > > >
> > > > that people risk their lives to get to
> > > >
> > > > where he would not have to pick up a gun to get rid of an
> > > > oppressive government, where this could be achieved by simply
> > > > voting for someone else
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I have a question for you Jim.  If your wife fled with your Son
> > > > to Cuba
> > > > >and was Killed, do you think Cuba would have the right to keep
> > > > your
> > > > >son??.
> > > > >
> > > > >DD
> >
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