J. Prescott spartacusii at PEOPLEPC.COM
Mon May 12 20:22:45 MDT 2003

well, here we are - relativism at its best.  or should i say worst?

i am hearing those words uttered by a certain bill clinton - "no controlling
authority . . ."

when you study rome's history, even if just at a cursory look, you see that
they ate themselves from the inside.  i can't help but wonder just how many
more years THIS society & culture can survive the cancer of anarchy that is
no longer at our doorstep, but has found its way to the table & is, at
present, feasting on indifference & ignorance.


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Joseph Prescott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen A. Frye" <s.frye at VERIZON.NET>
To: <RUSHTALK at hermes.csdco.com>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Hazing

> Organizations - such as businesses and schools alike - often do things
> they really do not have the legal authority to do.  I signed no contract
> with my employer regarding my conduct away from work and work
> functions.  If I misbehave at work or at a sanctioned activity - they can
> do as they will.  If I misbehave on my own, I sincerely question their
> legal right to do anything about it.  They may well find (read
> manufactured) another reason to fire me.  If I am convicted of something,
> then that may, and I emphasize *may*, open the door for them to act.
> Where is the line drawn?  What if a student's home life - such as
> practices, etc - are perceived by the school (or the employer) to not be
> their best interest.  Are they then free to expel/fire someone?
> Without legal convictions, I have to side with the students here - however
> deplorable.  It is, so far, beyond the scope of the school.
> >         It's always been there, Stephen. Just like a job. If you or me
> > any of us went out and engaged in deplorable behavior after hours and
> > away from the office,
> Who defines deplorable?  What if the school (or an employer) decides that
> student's support of the NRA, anti-abortion actions, etc are deplorable?
> >          Administrators will insist that they are protecting the
> > reputation, that discipline "sends a message to others who may be
> > thinking about acting inappropriately" and so forth.
> Agreed - they believe they are protecting the school's reputation.
> >         Schools hardly differ from businesses and (nearly always) wish
> > for their publicity to be positive.
> All wish for positive publicity.  We don't always get what we want.
> >         The administrators would be fully in their rights to decide that
> > they will refuse students with those kinds of behavioral problems.
> Again, I don't agree.  They have no authority whatsoever over those kids
> away from school and/or school activities.  It is simply beyond their
> scope.  They even admitted that they had disassociated themselves from
> particular activity!

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