Heavy Hand Of Gov't.........WOD....

wbwhite wbwhite at MADBBS.COM
Sat Nov 15 10:31:15 MST 2003


    All good points, Dennis.  Heavy hands, in and of themselves, are not
necessarily bad.  Who one is dealing with makes all the difference (hardcore
drug users and dealers?  snotty rebellious adolescents?).  Also, who the heavy
hand is connected to makes a big difference.  When it is connected to an idiot
or a power-tripping sadist, it is not good.  When it is connected to an
intelligent pragmatist, well grounded in the laws on the books conditioned by
the laws of common sense and the laws of human decency, the heavy hand can
work out well.  The school boards should be able to assert a balanced
influence over this matter.  And police departments, too, can be influenced
positively.

Bill

Dennis Putnam wrote:

> Let's not get carried away with constitutional red herrings. First, it is a
> long (from English common law) established principle that minors are not
> MEN in the "all are created equal" sense. The second amendment does not
> limit the age of those who can keep and bear arms but it is understood that
> 5 years olds do not have that right. Minors are afforded rights very
> subjectively and only the basic one is universal to any age (except those
> that can't make it out of the womb without their brains being sucked out),
> that being the right to life. From a legal perspective there is nothing
> wrong with what was done. Remember "in loco parentis?" By sending your
> child to school, you are giving the school parental powers while in their
> care. Surely you agree, parents have every right (4th amendment not
> withstanding) to search every corner and every one of their children's
> "possessions" and can even invite the police to do so.
>
> That being said, there are bounds beyond which parents cannot go (physical
> abuse for example) and the same with schools. Except those bounds are not
> as wide for a school as they are for parents. Sadly, this is (or should be)
> a school board issue. It is up to the parents (voters) to elect people that
> understand the bounds and are willing to enforce them. Although they can't
> be bothered, it is the voters, through the school board, that should be
> taking punitive action against those responsible.



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