Truth On World Poverty

Steven Laib stevenlaib at SBCGLOBAL.NET
Thu Oct 14 11:28:45 MDT 2010


Back during the time of ancient Rome the sahara was a highly productive area, at 
least near the coast.  

I've read reports of the North African campaign during WWII and they reported 
orange groves and other agriculture 

going on there.

SDL


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From: Ernie Lane <ernielane at VERIZON.NET>
To: RUSHTALK at CSDCO.COM
Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 12:08:53 PM
Subject: Re: [RUSHTALK] Truth On World Poverty

On 10/13/2010 6:14 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>  The technology that is yet to be developed that will allow mankind to
> utilize previously unusable land for crops and living. Are you asking me
> to explain technology that has not yet been developed?

I was thinking more in terms of "just look around," as far as technology 
we have now.

By any measure, agriculture is just so more efficient and productive 
than it the past, and it keeps getting better.

Think of what Israel has done in the Negev Desert. I think that if 
profit motive was there, the _Sahara_ could be the "breadbasket of the 
world."

>
> On 10/13/2010 1:17 PM, JD wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Dennis Putnam<dap1 at bellsouth.net
>> <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net>>  wrote:
>>
>>      Ah but you are making the point with which you disagree. There is
>>      sufficient land for many more times the current population. The
>>      issue is
>>      the technology to utilize it which was the original point.
>>
>>
>> What technology?  Could you be specific?
>>
>> JD
>>
>>      On 10/12/2010 11:41 PM, JD wrote:
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >  On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Dennis Putnam
>>      <dap1 at bellsouth.net<mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net>
>>      >  <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net<mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net>>>  wrote:
>>      >
>>      >      On 10/12/2010 2:43 PM, JD wrote:
>>      >      >
>>      >      >
>>      >      >  On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Ernie Lane
>>      >      <ernielane at verizon.net<mailto:ernielane at verizon.net>
>>      <mailto:ernielane at verizon.net<mailto:ernielane at verizon.net>>
>>      >      >  <mailto:ernielane at verizon.net
>>      <mailto:ernielane at verizon.net>  <mailto:ernielane at verizon.net
>>      <mailto:ernielane at verizon.net>>>>
>>      >      wrote:
>>      >      >
>>      >      >      On 10/11/2010 10:29 PM, JD wrote:
>>      >      >
>>      >      >          I agree with the point he made, but he also
>>      demonstrated
>>      >      that
>>      >      >          the human
>>      >      >          population is far too great to allow everyone a
>>      decent life.
>>      >      >          We have
>>      >      >          simply reproduced beyond carrying capacity.  Earth
>>      is a
>>      >      petri dish
>>      >      >          without enough room for us and our food both. and
>>      we keep on
>>      >      >          reproducing.
>>      >      >
>>      >      >
>>      >      >      I disagree.  Given the speed with which technology
>>      advances, and
>>      >      >      the things it allows us to do, if democracy, freedom and
>>      >      >      capitalism were more widespread, I don't see why the Earth
>>      >      >      couldn't support 20 billion humans.  By the time we
>>      get there,
>>      >      >      it'll be more like a rolling 5 billion more.
>>      >      >
>>      >      >
>>      >      >
>>      >      >  Land, water, food.  Wants are infinite and resources are
>>      finite.
>>      >      >  JD
>>      >      Nonsense. Land is not a problem. Every man, woman and child
>>      in the
>>      >      world
>>      >      could be given 1/2 acre of land and all would fit into an
>>      area the
>>      >      size
>>      >      of the western US. Water is also not a problem, it is
>>      purification and
>>      >      delivery that are the problems. Technology will solve that if
>>      >      allowed to
>>      >      profit from the result. Food also is not a problem if it
>>      were not for
>>      >      government interference. The US alone could provide enough food
>>      >      for the
>>      >      entire world.
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >  Yeah, I've heard that one before and the ones about everybody
>>      fitting
>>      >  onto city lots in Texas or high-rise apartment buildings in
>>      >  Jacksonville.  If storing people is what we are after, then we
>>      really
>>      >  do have a long way to go before carrying capacity is reached.  But
>>      >  considering all those gumballs who ALREADY live in crappy
>>      overcrowded
>>      >  conditions, and the fact that much of the underpopulated land is
>>      >  desert or frozen wasteland, and the fact that some certain amount of
>>      >  acreage is required to support a single human, and the fact that
>>      water
>>      >  is ALREADY a problem in the Southwest where we have a lot of good
>>      >  delivery systems, I'm sticking with my assertion that we are pushing
>>      >  at the walls already. Another 150 years at present growth rates,
>>      maybe.
>>      >
>>      >  JD
>>      >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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