FW: Re: The Problem with the Tea Party

JD northgate76 at GMAIL.COM
Sun Aug 7 23:10:22 MDT 2011


On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Tom Matiska <tom.matiska at att.net> wrote:

> *  You originally liked and could get behind the TEA Party movement
> until the Taxed Enough Already acronym stuck?      Did the acronym change
> your notion of what the movment was about?*
> * *
> *Tom*
> * *
>  The other thing was what the acronym stood for:  Taxed Enough Already.
> That was some damn weak tea.  Like, "Just hold taxes where they are and we
> will be happy.  Because it is enough.  More would be prolly too much."
>

JD

>
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/7/11, JD <northgate76 at GMAIL.COM>* wrote:
>
>
> From: JD <northgate76 at GMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: [RUSHTALK] FW: Re: The Problem with the Tea Party
> To: RUSHTALK at CSDCO.COM
> Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 11:52 PM
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dap1@bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
>
> You have got to be kidding. Are you really that dense that you cannot
> figure out that Taxed Enough Already is the best they could do with the
> acronym TEA? That is a forced acronym because the TEA already exists and
> they had to find something that would fit it. Sheesh.
>
> Who are "they?"
> "Tea" existed because it is part of the name "Boston Tea Party."  Why were
> "they" forced to consider it an acronym and find something to fit it?  Is
> there an acronym law out there that I am unaware of?
>
> JD
>
>
>  On 8/7/2011 6:33 PM, JD wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dap1@bellsouth.net>
> > <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dap1@bellsouth.net>>>
> wrote:
> >
> >     If you knew history you'd be able to guess the origins. Taxed Enough
> >     Already was a forced acronym from the basis of its origin, the Boston
> >     Tea Party, which was also about onerous taxes. Generally those
> >     that pay
> >     attention, rather than calling everything they don't like
> >     bullshit, know
> >     this.
> >
> >
> > You just told us nothing.   I already mentioned the Boston Tea Party.
> > I don't want to guess the origin and I have no idea what a "forced
> > acronym" might be.  You know, tell us.  Otherwise just say you don't
> > know either.
> >
> > JD
> >
> >     On 8/7/2011 2:53 PM, JD wrote:
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Dennis Putnam
> >     <dap1 at bellsouth.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dap1@bellsouth.net><mailto:
> dap1 at bellsouth.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dap1@bellsouth.net>
> >
>  >     > <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dap1@bellsouth.net><mailto:
> dap1 at bellsouth.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dap1@bellsouth.net>>>>
> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     JD is not always interested in the truth when it is contrary
> >     to his
> >     >     preconceived notions. And certainly in this case he was not
> >     interested
> >     >     in researching it himself before jumping to faux conclusions.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > OK, tell us how the Tea Party became the Taxed Enough Already
> Party.
> >     > And don't give me any bullshit about researching it.  If you know,
> >     > enlighten us and cite your sources.  If not, my analysis is as
> >     good as
> >     > yours or anyone else's.
> >     >
> >     > JD
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     On 8/7/2011 1:33 PM, Tom Matiska wrote:
> >     >     > *No, FOX news didn't coin the acronym..    Best I can tell it
> >     >     appeared
> >     >     > to make the leap from bumper stickers to multiple media
> >     sources in
> >     >     > April 09.*
> >     >     > * *
> >     >     > *Researching TEA party origins was a hoot.   I've learned
> from
> >     >     > articles on many lamestream media sites that the TEA Party:*
> >     >     > * *
> >     >     > *      ...is an astroturf movement controlled by David Koch.*
> >     >     > * *
> >     >     > *      ...as late as Sept 2010 a CBS News//New York Times/
> >     poll
> >     >     > showed 19% of respondents supported the movement, 63% did
> not,
> >     >     and 16%
> >     >     > said they did not know. (guess they didn't poll likely
> >     voters....)*
> >     >     > **
> >     >     > *      **...the TEA party opposes Obama's tax increases that
> >     >     would be
> >     >     > less than taxes paid under Reagan... *
> >     >     > * *
> >     >     > *     .... The TEA party opposes UN efforts to protect
> >     children...*
> >     >     > * *
> >     >     > *google yourself and enjoy.... some funny stuff out there...*
> >     >     > * *
> >     >     > *Tom*
> >     >     > * *
> >     >     > * *
> >     >     >
> >     >     > */"The cheeks of every American must tingle with shame as he
> >     >     reads the
> >     >     > silly, flat, and dishwatery utterances."/   /Chicago
> >     Times:/ 1863
> >     >     > review of the Gettysburg address'*
> >     >     >
> >     >     > * *
> >     >     > * *
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     > --- On *Sun, 8/7/11, JD /<northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >     <mailto:northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >
> >     >     <mailto:northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >     <mailto:northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>>>>/*
> wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     From: JD <northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >     <mailto:northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>>
> <mailto:northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >     <mailto:northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >>>
> >     >     >     Subject: Re: [RUSHTALK] FW: Re: The Problem with the
> >     Tea Party
> >     >     >     To: RUSHTALK at CSDCO.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RUSHTALK@CSDCO.COM><mailto:
> RUSHTALK at CSDCO.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RUSHTALK@CSDCO.COM>
> >
> >     <mailto:RUSHTALK at CSDCO.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RUSHTALK@CSDCO.COM><mailto:
> RUSHTALK at CSDCO.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RUSHTALK@CSDCO.COM>
> >>
> >     >     >     Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 11:38 AM
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Tom Matiska
> >     >     <tom.matiska at att.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tom.matiska@att.net><mailto:
> tom.matiska at att.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tom.matiska@att.net>
> >
> >     <mailto:tom.matiska at att.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tom.matiska@att.net><mailto:
> tom.matiska at att.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tom.matiska@att.net>
> >>
>  >     >     >
> >     >
> >     <http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tom.matiska@att.net>>
> >     >     >     wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     >         The "T" in TEA party stands for taxes.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     That was my first problem with it:  "Tea" was never
> >     supposed
> >     >     to be
> >     >     >     an acronym.  It was the Tea Party, like the one in
> >     Boston.  I
> >     >     >     liked that.  I could get behind that.Then Faux News
> >     seemed to
> >     >     >     morph it into "Taxed Enough Already" and it became
> >     everything to
> >     >     >     anyone, which is the same as nothing to no one.  I'm
> >     glad that
> >     >     >     "it" exists, whatever "it" is, but its kind of an
> >     amorphous blob
> >     >     >     at this point.  The original goals as I remember them
> were
> >     >     to end
> >     >     >     the Fed and the IRS.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     JD
> >     >     >
> >     >     >         None of the letters stand for abortion or gun
> control.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >         Google the various teaparty.com
> >     <http://teaparty.com> <http://teaparty.com>
> >     >     <http://teaparty.com/> or  org
> >     >     >         or net sites and you'll find a platform that is
> >     focused
> >     >     >         on limited Federal govt, less taxes and more personal
> >     >     >         freedoms.    There are many who are pro-choice or
> >     anti gun
> >     >     >         that think they are taxed too much.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >         If you want to find an intellectually dishonest
> >     >     discussion of
> >     >     >         what the TEA party isn't about you'll have to click
> >     >     >         on harvard.edu <http://harvard.edu>
> >     <http://harvard.edu>
> >     >     <http://harvard.edu/>, NYT.com,salon.com <http://salon.com>
> >     <http://salon.com>
> >     >     >         <http://salon.com/>,  Washington Post......etc
> >     >     >
> >     >     >         Tom
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >         --- On *Sun, 8/7/11, JD /<northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >     <mailto:northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >
> >     >     <mailto:northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM><mailto:
> northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >>
> >     >     >
> >     >
> >     <http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM
> >>/*
> >     >     >         wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >             From: JD <northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >     <mailto:northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >
> >     >     <mailto:northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM><mailto:
> northgate76 at GMAIL.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM>
> >>
> >     >     >
> >     >
> >     <http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=northgate76@GMAIL.COM
> >>
> >     >     >             Subject: Re: [RUSHTALK] FW: Re: The Problem
> >     with the
> >     >     Tea Party
> >     >     >             To: RUSHTALK at CSDCO.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RUSHTALK@CSDCO.COM>
> >     <mailto:RUSHTALK at CSDCO.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RUSHTALK@CSDCO.COM>>
> <mailto:RUSHTALK at CSDCO.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RUSHTALK@CSDCO.COM>
> >     <mailto:RUSHTALK at CSDCO.COM<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RUSHTALK@CSDCO.COM>
> >>
> >     >     >
> >     >
> >     <http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RUSHTALK@CSDCO.COM>
> >     >     >             Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 9:28 AM
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >             On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 4:07 PM, John A. Quayle
> >     >     >             <blueoval57 at verizon.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=blueoval57@verizon.net>
> >     <mailto:blueoval57 at verizon.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=blueoval57@verizon.net>>
> <mailto:blueoval57 at verizon.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=blueoval57@verizon.net>
>  >     <mailto:blueoval57 at verizon.net<http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=blueoval57@verizon.net>
> >>
> >     >     >
> >     >
> >     <
> http://us.mc1805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=blueoval57@verizon.net>>
> >     >     >             wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     >                 At 04:59 PM 8/6/2011, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> >     >     >>                 On 8/5/2011 11:56 PM, Paf Dvorak wrote:
> >     >     >>                 > At 11:51 PM 8/5/2011 -0400, you wrote:
> >     >     >>                 >> At 01:02 PM 8/5/2011, Paf Dvorak wrote:
> >     >     >>                 >>
> >     >     >>                 >>
> >     >     >>                 >>
> >     >     >>                 >>>> Keep spreading libertarian ideas.
> >     It's the
> >     >     only
> >     >     >>                 chance there is.
> >     >     >>                 >>>> Once we libertarians reach a critical
> >     >     mass, our
> >     >     >>                 freedom paradigm
> >     >     >>                 >>>> will overwhelm the statist paradigm.
> >     Look for
> >     >     >>                 >>>> libertarians--including people who are
> >     >     >>                 libertarians but don't yet
> >     >     >>                 >>>> know it--don't waste a lot of time
> >     trying to
> >     >     >>                 convert a statist.
> >     >     >>                 >>>> While there are periodic exceptions,
> >     most of
> >     >     >>                 them are incorrigible.
> >     >     >>                 >>>> Don't lose heart. We libertarians
> >     have the
> >     >     moral
> >     >     >>                 high ground and
> >     >     >>                 >>>> our philosophy (freedom and free
> >     markets)
> >     >     is the
> >     >     >>                 only thing that works.
> >     >     >>                 >>
> >     >     >>                 >> */This is what the Tea Party is
> >     for!!!!! /*
> >     >     >>                 >
> >     >     >>                 > Really??
> >     >     >>                 > Which useless federal bureaucracies did
> >     the Tea
> >     >     >>                 Party fight to close
> >     >     >>                 > for good?
> >     >     >>                 Dunno. Which did you fight to close for
> good?
> >     >     Please
> >     >     >>                 provide a link.
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >>                 > I know it all happened in the past, but
> >     >     didn't the
> >     >     >>                 Tea, Republican and
> >     >     >>                 > Demo parties all vote to raise the debt
> >     limit??
> >     >     >>                 Your ignorance seems to know no bounds.
> >     Tea Party
> >     >     >>                 members all voted nay.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >                          */_CORRECT_,
> >     Dennis.....well-stated!/*
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >             It seems to me that anyone can declare him or
> >     >     herself "tea
> >     >     >             party" and have any basically conservative
> >     ideology from
> >     >     >             minarchist to neocon. An example of this is
> >     Sara Palin,
> >     >     >             who came to Texas to endorse Rick Perry over
> Debra
> >     >     Median
> >     >     >             who is pro-gun, anti-tax and strongly pro
> >     life.  So, tea
> >     >     >             partiers, what does your party stand for and what
> >     >     does it
> >     >     >             do to advance its agenda?
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >             JD
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >
> >
> >
>
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