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Paf Dvorak notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info
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Change on veterans’ gun rights lights fire




Coburn wants decisions by judge rather than VA for impaired troops

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By <http://www.washingtontimes.com/staff/david-sherfinski/>David Sherfinski

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The Washington Times

Monday, December 3, 2012

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A major defense-spending bill hit an unexpected 
bump on its journey through the 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-states-senate/>U.S. 
Senate over an amendment on veterans’ gun rights, 
which devolved into a heated floor debate and 
foreshadows a potential battle over Democrats’ 
vows to tweak the filibuster rules in the clubby, traditionally collegial body.

<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/tom-coburn/>Sen. 
Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, wants veterans 
who have been deemed “mentally incompetent” to 
have their cases adjudicated by a judge ­ rather 
than the 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/department-of-veterans-affairs/>Department 
of Veterans Affairs, as happens currently ­ and 
argued that veterans who simply cannot support 
themselves financially are needlessly given the 
label and, as such, cannot buy or possess firearms.

“We’re not asking for anything big,” 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/tom-coburn/>Mr. 
Coburn said Thursday evening on the 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/senate/>Senate 
floor. “We’re just saying that if you’re going to 
take away the Second Amendment rights 
 they 
ought to have it adjudicated, rather than 
mandated by someone who’s unqualified to state 
that they should lose their rights.”

The late-night tussle served to pick at the scab 
of the ongoing debate over 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/senate/>Senate 
Majority Leader 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/harry-reid/>Harry 
Reid’s bid to reform the chamber’s filibuster 
rules to place limits on the minority party’s 
ability to hold up debate on legislation, however.

<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/charles-e-schumer/>Sen. 
Charles E. Schumer, New York Democrat, objected 
to 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/tom-coburn/>Mr. 
Coburn’s proposal once he found out it was part 
of a package of amendments to the 2013 National 
Defense Authorization Act the body was to vote on.
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“I love our veterans; I vote for them all the 
time, they defend us,” 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/charles-e-schumer/>Mr. 
Schumer said. “But if you are mentally ill, 
whether you’re a veteran or not, just like if 
you’re a felon, if you’re a veteran or not, and 
you have been judged to be mentally infirm, you should not have a gun.”

After a similar plea from 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/barbara-boxer/>Sen. 
Barbara Boxer, California Democrat, and a warning 
from 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-mccain/>Sen. 
John McCain, Arizona Republican, that the move 
could embolden Democrats’ push for filibuster 
reforms, 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/tom-coburn/>Mr. 
Coburn eventually backed off.

“There’s more here, frankly, than just a refusal 
to allow an amendment,” 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-mccain/>Mr. 
McCain said. “That is going to mean that it’s 
more likely that we have this showdown, which we 
think ­ many of us think ­ would be devastating 
to this institution and the way that it’s done 
business for a couple of hundred years.”

The quarrel over the broader bill and the 
filibuster continued on the 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/senate/>Senate 
floor Monday when 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-mccain/>Mr. 
McCain dinged 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/rand-paul/>Sen. 
Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, when he alluded 
to 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/rand-paul/>Mr. 
Paul’s previous threats to filibuster the bill if 
there was not a vote on an amendment to ensure a 
trial to American citizens accused of terrorism. 
That provision was approved by the 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/senate/>Senate last week.

The measure that sparked last week’s late-night 
imbroglio is also part of a still-pending 
sportsman’s bill that the 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/senate/>Senate 
declined to vote on last week. Similar 
legislation has been proposed in past years, and 
a bill introduced by Sen. Richard Burr, North 
Carolina Republican, and Sen. Jim Webb, Virginia 
Democrat, passed the Senate Committee on Veterans 
Affairs unanimously in September.

The debate on the measure should not be about gun 
control, but about veterans’ mental health, said 
Tom Tarantino, senior legislative associate for 
Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America.

“If even one person will not go to seek the help 
they need and they fall through the cracks 
because we failed to remove the mental health 
stigma as much as possible, then we’ve failed,” 
he said. “Right now, what happened is someone 
pulled the thread of politics in something that 
should not political. And that thread’s starting to unravel.”

But Brian Malte with the Brady Campaign to 
Prevent Gun Violence said simply that if 
<http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/tom-coburn/>Mr. 
Coburn’s amendment passes, more than 100,000 
people deemed medically incompetent would 
immediately be able to purchase guns. He also 
noted that the declaration is not absolute.

“There is due process,” Mr. Malte said. “Gun 
possession is allowed if competency is restored. 
It’s up to the professionals to make that determination.”

The 1993 Brady Bill established a five-day 
waiting period for handgun purchases, and the 
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and 
Explosives’ enforcement regulations declared that 
those deemed mentally defective could not purchase or possess a firearm.

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