[Rushtalk] Thoughts

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Wed Aug 21 13:32:58 MDT 2013


What would be the point of NOT encrypting this thread if only to give a
headache? :-)

On 8/21/2013 3:05 PM, Tom Matiska wrote:
> Atwhay ouldway ebay ethay ointpay otay encryptingway isthay
> eadthray? 
>  
>    ....(What would be the point to encrypting this thread?)   
> ...other than the headache
>  
> Tom   
>  
>  
> *From:* John A. Quayle <blueoval57 at verizon.net>
> *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List <rushtalk at csdco.com>; Rushtalk
> Discussion List <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Thoughts
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> At 12:33 PM 8/21/2013, Tom Matiska wrote:
>> I suspect the Feds anger with the encryption folks was for show. They
>> have to be laughing.   The computing power required is a drop in the
>> bucket(pun intended) for the Utah spy center.
>>
>> Most importantly.... why encrypt political speech here?  1st doesn't
>> protect my right to whisper in the alley, 
>
>          */Why not?!? A) It's not planning sedition and B) it's no
> different than talking on the phone.
>
> /*
>> and the 2nd doesn't protect my right to hide my guns.  
>
>          */No, but you have a right to being secure in your domicile
> (at which you can hide your weapons, legally).
>
> /*Like many other areas of American law, the Fourth Amendment finds
> its roots in English legal doctrine. Sir Edward Coke
> <http://www.ask.com/wiki/Sir_Edward_Coke?qsrc=3044>, in /Semayne's
> case/ <http://www.ask.com/wiki/Semayne%27s_case?qsrc=3044> (1604),
> famously stated: "The house of every one is to him as his castle and
> fortress, as well for his defence against injury and violence as for
> his repose."^[2]
> <http://www.ask.com/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#cite_note-2>
> /Semayne's Case/ acknowledged that the King did not have unbridled
> authority to intrude on his subjects' dwellings but recognized that
> government agents were permitted to conduct searches and seizures
> under certain conditions when their purpose was lawful and a warrant
> had been obtained.^[3]
> <http://www.ask.com/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#cite_note-EngAm-3>
>
>
>> Use your rights properly or lose them. 
>>
>> Tom  
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net>
>> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:14 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Thoughts
>>
>> Not sure what you are saying but if you mean to imply that the NSA
>> can decrypt PGP you are mostly incorrect. While it is possible to
>> decrypt PGP, the compute power and time needed makes it impractical
>> to do routinely let alone on every encrypted email across the
>> internet. When Phil Zimmerman released the algorithm, the Feds went
>> after him with a vengeance because of the extreme measures needed to
>> decrypt it. It meant the feds could not practically control
>> encryption any more. However, Phil was smart in that he distributed
>> it only domestically so it did not come under any of the federal
>> encryption laws and their attempts to shut him down failed (not for
>> lack of trying). Now the genie is out of the bottle and the Feds can
>> do nothing to stop it, at least domestically. The best they can do is
>> get a subpoena and confiscate your private key from your computer and
>> somehow force you to reveal your pass phrase.
>>
>> Now, once you decrypt the message on your side, the sender is at your
>> mercy if someone should hack your computer and you saved it decrypted
>> or you should forward it unencrypted. But that burden is on you and
>> not a function of anything the feds can do.
>>
>> On 8/21/2013 11:42 AM, Tom Matiska wrote:
>>> I believe our "security"(spy) agencies were in on the ground floor
>>> of the encryption business. They probably laugh whenever someone
>>> buys one of their products.   As far as being targeted as for being
>>> conservative that horse is out of the barn too.  Every click we make
>>> online paints that picture. When I googled a replacement gasket for

>>> mom's old pressure cooker flags had to go up.    On the slim chance
>>> you're not a watch list just use encryption, and be on the mother of
>>> all watch lists.
>>>
>>> Most importantly, I don't write anything you don't want them to
>>> read.  Once they get you to whisper in the alley you've
>>> surrendered.   Is that really free speech anymore?     Let them hear
>>> it... in their face.... loud and clear...  
>>>
>>> Tom 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Dennis Putnam mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net
>>> *To:* Open discussion of current events mailto:RUSHTALK at csdco.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:06 AM
>>> *Subject:* [Rushtalk] Thoughts
>>>
>>> Given the scope of what we now know about NSA spying and that we can
>>> easily surmise there is lots more we don't know, I am curious why more
>>> people are not using strong encryption for their email such as GPG.
>>>
>>> It also occurs to me, that since conservatives are being specifically
>>> targeted, perhaps this list should adopt encryption. There exists a 3rd
>>> party package that is supposed to work with mailman that will do
>>> precisely that.
>>>
>>> Just thinking out loud.
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