[Rushtalk] Thoughts

Stephen A. Frye s.frye at verizon.net
Wed Aug 21 17:17:28 MDT 2013

You are obviously uninformed about encryption.  It is most definitely NOT a
drop in the bucket.


From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Matiska
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Thoughts


I suspect the Feds anger with the encryption folks was for show. They have
to be laughing.   The computing power required is a drop in the bucket(pun
intended) for the Utah spy center.

Most importantly.... why encrypt political speech here?    1st doesn't
protect my right to whisper in the alley, and the 2nd doesn't protect my
right to hide my guns.  Use your rights properly or lose them.  






From: Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net>
To: rushtalk at csdco.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:14 PM
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Not sure what you are saying but if you mean to imply that the NSA can
decrypt PGP you are mostly incorrect. While it is possible to decrypt PGP,
the compute power and time needed makes it impractical to do routinely let
alone on every encrypted email across the internet. When Phil Zimmerman
released the algorithm, the Feds went after him with a vengeance because of
the extreme measures needed to decrypt it. It meant the feds could not
practically control encryption any more. However, Phil was smart in that he
distributed it only domestically so it did not come under any of the federal
encryption laws and their attempts to shut him down failed (not for lack of
trying). Now the genie is out of the bottle and the Feds can do nothing to
stop it, at least domestically. The best they can do is get a subpoena and
confiscate your private key from your computer and somehow force you to
reveal your pass phrase.

Now, once you decrypt the message on your side, the sender is at your mercy
if someone should hack your computer and you saved it decrypted or you
should forward it unencrypted. But that burden is on you and not a function
of anything the feds can do.

On 8/21/2013 11:42 AM, Tom Matiska wrote:

I believe our "security"(spy) agencies were in on the ground floor of the
encryption business. They probably laugh whenever someone buys one of their
products.   As far as being targeted as for being conservative that horse is
out of the barn too.  Every click we make online paints that picture. When I
googled a replacement gasket for mom's old pressure cooker flags had to go
up.    On the slim chance you're not a watch list just use encryption, and
be on the mother of all watch lists.

Most importantly, I don't write anything you don't want them to read.  Once
they get you to whisper in the alley you've surrendered.   Is that really
free speech anymore?     Let them hear it... in their face.... loud and






From: Dennis Putnam  <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net> <dap1 at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:06 AM
Subject: [Rushtalk] Thoughts

Given the scope of what we now know about NSA spying and that we can
easily surmise there is lots more we don't know, I am curious why more
people are not using strong encryption for their email such as GPG.

It also occurs to me, that since conservatives are being specifically
targeted, perhaps this list should adopt encryption. There exists a 3rd
party package that is supposed to work with mailman that will do
precisely that.

Just thinking out loud.

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