[Rushtalk] The Senate GOP Won't Shut Down The government over socialized medicine

Paf Dvorak notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info
Thu Aug 29 20:20:30 MDT 2013

At 03:28 PM 8/29/2013 -0400, John A. Quayle wrote:
>At 09:38 AM 8/29/2013, Carl Spitzer wrote:
>>The Senate GOP Won'tShut Down The Government Over Obamacare
>         They will if they know what's good for 
> 'em! No wonder they are called "the stupid party"!

The only ones who are really stupid are those who 
keep voting (for them or anyone else) expecting different (better) results.

>>Business Insider
>><http://www.businessinsider.com/> By Josh Barro 
>>| Business Insider –  18 minutes ago
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>>ted cruz mike lee
>>Right to left: Republican Sens. Roy Blunt 
>>(Mo.), Mike Lee (Utah), and Ted Cruz (Tex.)
>>Byron York has a 
>>post at the Washington Examiner pouring cold 
>>water on the idea that Senate Republicans will 
>>shut down the federal government in order to 
>>force the defunding of Obamacare implementation.
>>The idea, from Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) is that 
>>Republicans should refuse to vote for any 
>>continuing resolution­that's the appropriation 
>>bill that Congress will have to pass to keep 
>>the government open past Sept. 30­if it 
>>contains money to implement the health care law.
>>Lee's strategy won't work because the CR is 
>>must-pass legislation. If Republicans tie an 
>>Obamacare-defunding demand to it, no bill will 
>>pass, and they'll get blamed forshutting down 
>>the government, which will be unpopular.
>>Eventually, they'll cave, the government will 
>>reopen, the health law will still be 
>>implemented, and the Republicans will suffer 
>>political damage. It's a strategy that's just asking for pain.
>>Lee and his colleagues understand this. York 
>>got a quote from an anonymous Republican Senate 
>>aide explaining why various Tea Party senators 
>>want to pursue the strategy even though they know it's doomed:
>>"We have to try," says the Senate aide. "Having 
>>this fight will show the people who sent us 
>>here that we are a party of principle. And 
>>after we lose this fight, all of our guys are 
>>going to have an issue that we can run on and win."
>>The key phrase in this quote is "all of our 
>>guys." Which guys is he referring to?
>>A government shutdown wouldn't endear Senate 
>>Republicans to the public as awhole. That's why 
>>Republican  senators like Tom Coburn (Okla.) 
>>and John Cornyn (Tex.) 
>>dissing  the Lee strategy.
>>But it would give Tea Party senators like Rand 
>>Paul (Ky.) and Ted Cruz (Tex.) big, public 
>>opportunities to "stand up to Obamacare" and 
>>improve their standing with the sort of very 
>>conservative voters who have a lot of influence 
>>in the Iowa caucuses.  A government shutdown as 
>>a Hail Mary against Obamacare might be thesort 
>>of thing Cruz could run on and win Iowa.
>>It's a good example ofthe diverging incentives 
>>facing individual Republican officials and the 
>>party as a whole. Individual senators can 
>>benefit by picking fights that makeit harder 
>>for the party to build a majority electoral 
>>coalition. But in this instance, most senators 
>>seem to realize that would be a mistake.
>>It won't be that hard to get a CR through the 
>>Senate. The more difficult question will be the 
>>House, where individual members are more 
>>conservative andrepresent districts where they 
>>can more easily disregard broad public opinion.
>>But last time House Republicans had the 
>>opportunity to force a government shutdown, in 
>>March, they got gun-shy, realizing that the 
>>shutdownfights of 1995-6 under Speaker Newt 
>>Gingrich did not play out well for Republicans.
>>Boehner may have to break the "Hastert Rule" to 
>>pass the CR: That is, he'll let it come to a 
>>vote and pass mostly with Democratic support. 
>>But far from angering his caucus, he will be 
>>giving them exactly what they want. They will 
>>be able to avoid a government shutdown 
>>fightwithout ever having to vote to fund Obamacare.
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