[Rushtalk] Obama cares

John A. Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Sun Feb 3 17:51:25 MST 2013


         This discussion may have drifted a wee 
bit, but here's how much Obama REALLY cares:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xD5T_3pz-MU#!



At 06:47 PM 2/3/2013, Steven Laib wrote:
>Roberts called it a tax for one purpose and not 
>a tax for the other.  Not having read the law I 
>don't know if the penalties are criminal or 
>civil, nut I expect it is civil, at least for now.
>
>SDL
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>
>On Feb 3, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Tom Matiska 
><<mailto:tom.matiska at att.net>tom.matiska at att.net> wrote:
>
>>  What happens if the "fee" for Obamacare  or 
>> the "penalty" for not participating takes the 
>> form of a "tax"???    Is not paying your taxes 
>> criminal or civil??   .... Didn't  Roberts effectively rule it a tax?
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--- On Sun, 2/3/13, Steven Laib 
>><<mailto:stevenlaib at sbcglobal.net>stevenlaib at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>From: Steven Laib <<mailto:stevenlaib at sbcglobal.net>stevenlaib at sbcglobal.net>
>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Obama cares
>>To: "Rushtalk Discussion List" 
>><<mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com>
>>Date: Sunday, February 3, 2013, 11:13 AM
>>
>>Hey Guys,
>>
>>1)  Don't forget to distinguish between criminal and civil penalties.
>>2)  You can't be criminally prosecuted for 
>>failure to pay a criminal penalty,
>>     BUT that doesn't mean that there cannot be other action.
>>3) You can't be criminally prosecuted for 
>>failure to pay a civil penalty, but again, they
>>can take other actions (liens, levies, garnishment) to collect.
>>
>>SDL
>>
>>
>>From: Paf Dvorak 
>><<mailto:notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info>notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info>
>>To: Rushtalk Discussion List <<mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:55 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Obama cares
>>
>>At 05:34 AM 2/2/2013 -0800, Tom Matiska wrote:
>>>Previous paragraphs specify the 
>>>fines/penalties are to be included when filing 
>>>taxes. I can't find the proposed chapter B, sub chapter 68 referred to.
>>
>>I can't either, but I'm still looking.
>>
>>>The language seems to say the HHS Secretary 
>>>can not file liens to collect the penalty,
>>
>>It's a sure strange thing to put into a "law".
>>
>>>  but I'm not sure that is the same as saying 
>>> it wouldn't be business as usual when it 
>>> comes time for the IRS to collect the "taxes" 
>>> (*SCOTUS approved name for penalties) you owe.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- On Sat, 2/2/13, Paf Dvorak 
>>><<mailto:notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info>notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info> 
>>>wrote:
>>>From: Paf Dvorak 
>>><<mailto:notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info>notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Obama cares
>>>To: 
>>><mailto:Hale_Bobb at yahoogroups.com>Hale_Bobb at yahoogroups.com, 
>>><mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com
>>>Date: Saturday, February 2, 2013, 5:27 AM
>>>
>>>I'm re-asking because nobody answered the first time.
>>>Is this (in red below) correct?
>>>If I refuse to pay "my fair share" will they not fine me or persecute me?
>>>----------
>>>
>>>26 U. S. C. §5000A(g)(2)
>>>(g) Administration and procedure
>>>(1) In general
>>>The penalty provided by this section shall be 
>>>paid upon notice and demand by the Secretary, 
>>>and except as provided in paragraph (2), shall 
>>>be assessed and collected in the same manner 
>>>as an assessable penalty under subchapter B of chapter 68.
>>>(2) Special rules
>>>Notwithstanding any other provision of law­
>>>(A) Waiver of criminal penalties
>>>In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to 
>>>timely pay any penalty imposed by this 
>>>section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to 
>>>any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
>>>(B) Limitations on liens and levies
>>>The Secretary shall not­
>>>(i) file notice of lien with respect to any 
>>>property of a taxpayer by reason of any 
>>>failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or
>>>(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.
>>>I just changed the colors, nothing more. 
>>><http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5000A>http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5000A 
>>>
>>>Paf Dvorak
>>>
>>><http://thatswaytoomuch.info/>notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info
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>>Paf Dvorak
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>><http://thatswaytoomuch.info/>notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info
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