[Rushtalk] This is pathetic.

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Thu Feb 14 08:56:44 MST 2013


You're missing the point. Do you think Dorner and the LAPD would have 
received the same tenor of coverage if he were white and his victims
were black?

On 2/14/2013 10:50 AM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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> Had Dorner lived, do you believe he would have gone unpunished?
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> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:10 AM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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> What LAPD is or was is irreverent to my point as I am talking about a
> national cultural shift. You are free to accuse me of going off on a
> tangent to some extend and I'll plead guilty. It doesn't matter that
> you don't care about color. If you disagree with Obama you are a
> racist by their definition. Sorry but again by today's definition of
> racism, all those normally illegal things are perfectly justified if
> they are against whites in order to shift responsibility away from
> black criminals. To a lesser extent that same thing applies to Muslim
> radicals. They are not even called terrorists by this administration.
> That is just the way modern politics are now and I think that was the
> seed of John's point I was trying to bring out. Again liberals,
> including this administration, tolerate certain crimes.
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> On 2/14/2013 9:48 AM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>     I knew that the race card would be played.  But set that aside for
>     a moment, and just look -- in excruciating detail -- at the
>     history of the LAPD.  Then come back and claim again that the
>     racism there was a perverted perception.
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>     I don't care what color the victim may be, and I don't care what
>     crime he or she committed.  Planting evidence, framing, lying in
>     sworn testimony is wrong.  And it was blatant.  Doesn't excuse
>     what he did, but just maybe up until the time he started his crime
>     spree he really was a victim.
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>     Racism is alive and well in this country -- and don't feed me that
>     affirmative action crap line.  I don't know a single person, not
>     one, that has lost  or not gotten a job because of affirmative
>     action.  I do know people who weren't sold gas, or groceries, or
>     given a job, or given a promotion because they were black, or
>     Mexican, or something else.  I have stood in line in supposedly
>     tolerant California and watched a rental place refuse to rent
>     something to a black man, and then rent it to the white man behind
>     him.  I have been in a convenience store and heard the owner tell
>     a black man we don't sell to "niggers".  My son was traveling
>     through the south on leave from the army and his black friend had
>     to hide in the trunk before they could buy gas.  So don't preach
>     to me about the "perverted perceptions" of racism.  I am still
>     searching for that one place where it doesn't exist.
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>     *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
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>     [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
>     *Sent:* Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:04 AM
>     *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>     Agreed. However, I think John has a seed of a valid point in his
>     argument. There is a mindset that has developed (the offspring of
>     liberal think independent of Obama although he is one of them)
>     that people are not responsible for their own behavior. This is
>     especially true for black criminals who are perceived victims of
>     their perverted definition of racism. There is also a culture of
>     condoning violence, if it is the right type. This all combines to
>     breed a devaluation of life and acceptance of violence. While
>     white on black crime is trumpted by the media as well as
>     politicians as almost entirely caused by racism, the majority of
>     violent crime is black on black and receives no attention at all.
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>     On 2/13/2013 6:43 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>         All right.  You win.  I painted with too wide a brush.  Mea
>         maxima culpa.  But I stand on my assertion, referring to
>         John's post, that Obama is in no way causing the Dorner
>         incident.  It is not the 'Obama mind set", he's a frickin'
>         criminal, with a grudge, on a murder spree.  Unarguable.
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>         *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
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>         [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:25 AM
>         *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>         *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>         Au contraire. Read back to my original assertion. I was
>         responding only to your (false) assertion that Obama is not
>         tolerating crime. Provably he is and I have done so.
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>         On 2/12/2013 9:33 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>             I am not arguing anything.  I told you I wouldn't go
>             there.  All I am saying is that there are those who could
>             argue on these points that he is not responsible.  Not
>             me.  Not me.  Not me.  Not me.  Not me.  I won't go
>             there.  I won't argue it -- though I do not believe it is
>             "unarguable".  I sometimes tend to think that your
>             definition of "unarguable" is:  adj;  Dennis says so, so
>             it is absolute.
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>             You are carrying this to ridiculous extremes.  Read back
>             my ORIGINAL claim that Obama is not causing the crime in
>             this country -- specifically citing John's post regarding
>             Dorner here in California.  He referred to Dorner's (and
>             the consequential) actions as the "Obama mindset".  How
>             about addressing that for a while.  Give "unarguable" a
>             rest, or at least apply it to that situation.  That one I
>             will argue -- unarguable or not.
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>             *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
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>             [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
>             Putnam
>             *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:45 PM
>             *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>             *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>             Come on Stephen. Voter intimidation is a violation of law.
>             How can one argue it is not? Selling guns to known gun
>             runners is a violation of the law. How can you argue it is
>             not?
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>             On 2/12/2013 6:26 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>                 I don't know that all of this has happened since
>                 Obama.  I think a lot of it has been in the works for
>                 a long time.
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>                 Your claim abut that which is unarguable.  For many it
>                 is very arguable.  Though I do agree is fruitless to
>                 argue with either position.
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>                 *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
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>                 [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of
>                 *Dennis Putnam
>                 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:44 AM
>                 *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>                 *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>                 I think you are back peddling or at least deflecting.
>                 I said nothing about torture or any debatable crimes.
>                 I am talking about blatant violations of the law
>                 (provable) that Holder has said he will ignore (such
>                 as voter intimidation by the New Black Panthers) or
>                 the now infamous Fast and Furious. Holder has publicly
>                 stated he will not prosecute certain black on white
>                 crimes. I am not aware of any law violations knowingly
>                 tolerated by Bush. However, if you are, then let me
>                 know and I will equally condemn them.
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>                 I agree with your general assessment that Obama is not
>                 responsible for crimes. However, it is not arguable
>                 that the liberal mindset of PC and "tolerance" (except
>                 for those with whom they disagree) has had a
>                 debilitating effect on our culture in general and
>                 Obama has taken that mindset to new highs to the
>                 ultimate detriment of everyone.
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>                 On 2/11/2013 10:38 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>                     Sorry, I won't buy into this.  If I do, then I
>                     also buy into Bush committing war crimes, and we
>                     are still even.
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>                     I will not get into the political battle of
>                     Holder, Obama, Bush, torture, none of that.  No
>                     one can win those discussions.
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>                     And I still assert my original point.  Obama is
>                     not responsible for present day crime any more
>                     than Bush was during his tenure in office.  John
>                     blames Obama for everything from crime to bad
>                     breath, and that is absolutely no different than
>                     Obama and the democrats blaming Bush for
>                     everything.  No difference whatsoever -- Michael
>                     Savage notwithstanding.  SSDD.
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>                     *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
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>                     [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of
>                     *Dennis Putnam
>                     *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 7:20 PM
>                     *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>                     *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>                     Oops. You were on a roll until you blew it and
>                     said he is not tolerating crime. Clearly, Eric
>                     Holder provably is. Obama is the boss and he has
>                     not instructed Holder to enforce certain laws that
>                     Holder has been ignoring. Thus he tolerates crime.
>                     QED.
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>                     On 2/11/2013 8:44 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>                         John, you are ignoring facts.  But who needs
>                         those, anyway?  Right?  Are you using valid
>                         statistics, John, or just your own
>                         observations?   Your post here is purely
>                         emotional and devoid of any facts or data. 
>                         "Michael Savage says" is not data.  Like I
>                         wrote, John:   your conclusions on this do not
>                         follow from the real, available data.  Non
>                         sequitur.  Textbook example.
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>                         My only point here is to quit blaming Obama
>                         for everything.  I don't like him.  I despise
>                         him.  But he is no more fully at fault than
>                         Bush was.  He is not fomenting crime, he is
>                         not promoting crime, and he is not tolerating
>                         crime -- any more than Bush or any other
>                         president.  When you try to pin all of this on
>                         him -- or when the liberals try to pin it all
>                         on Bush -- you/they lose all credibility. 
>                         There is no difference between what you are
>                         doing and what the libs try to do to the
>                         conservatives.  One in the same. 
>                         Indistinguishable.
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>                         *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
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>                         [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf
>                         Of *John A. Quayle
>                         *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 5:23 PM
>                         *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List
>                         *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>                         At 07:30 PM 2/11/2013, you wrote:
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>                         John, get a grip.  There was violent crime
>                         prior to Obama.  In fact, in many metro areas,
>                         violent crime is down.  Was the violent crime
>                         from 2000 -> 2008 the Bush mindset?
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>                                  */Stephen, _YOU_ get a grip, my
>                         friend! Violent crime - no matter who is at
>                         fault - is far more prevalent now than ever
>                         before. Do you not see this?
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>                         Anything goes?  Maybe in Pennsylvania, but
>                         certainly not here. Again, violent crime is
>                         down here. Still not any tolerable level, but
>                         down. You may label it any way you want, and
>                         you can accuse me of sleeping through it,
>                         ignoring it, whatever you chose. But you will
>                         not intimidate me into your way of thinking. 
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>                                  */I'm not out to intimidate anybody,
>                         Stephen. Either you see it or you don't!
>                         Disregard for one's fellow man is rampant
>                         now-a-days.
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>                         It is simply illogical, and unfounded. 
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>                         The true non sequitur.
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>                         *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 4:08 PM
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>                         At 06:36 PM 2/11/2013, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>                         *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 1:29 AM
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>                         The panic induced shooting of these two women
>                         is a travesty.  But it has NOTHING to do with
>                         Obama.  You continue to lose more and more
>                         credibility when you post like this.  Blaming
>                         this on Obama is as stupid as Obama blaming
>                         his stupidity on Bush.
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>                                  */It's a mindset......go back to
>                         sleep, Stephen.............
>                          
>                         Yawn.  The mindset is believing that you --
>                         yes, you --can blame all of the ills of
>                         society on Obama just like he blames all of
>                         them on Bush.  There is no difference.
>                         /*
>                                  */Again, it's a mindset, as predicted
>                         by Michael Savage........he predicted
>                         lawlessness in October of 2008. We're there.
>                         If you refuse to acknowledge it, that's _YOUR_
>                         problem. We're at the stage where anything
>                         goes and the Constitution means nothing. Don't
>                         wanna see it? I can't help you. There's no
>                         more protection or law that helps the average
>                         schmuck. It's sad and you don't see it! - jaq
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