[Rushtalk] This is pathetic.

John A. Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Thu Feb 14 19:52:36 MST 2013


At 09:04 AM 2/14/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>Agreed. However, I think John has a seed of a 
>valid point in his argument. There is a mindset 
>that has developed (the offspring of liberal 
>think independent of Obama although he is one of 
>them) that people are not responsible for their 
>own behavior. This is especially true for black 
>criminals who are perceived victims of their 
>perverted definition of racism. There is also a 
>culture of condoning violence, if it is the 
>right type. This all combines to breed a 
>devaluation of life and acceptance of violence. 
>While white on black crime is trumpted by the 
>media as well as politicians as almost entirely 
>caused by racism, the majority of violent crime 
>is black on black and receives no attention at all.

         Thank you, Dennis................go to the head of the class!


>On 2/13/2013 6:43 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>>All right.  You win.  I painted with too wide a 
>>brush.  Mea maxima culpa.  But I stand on my 
>>assertion, referring to John’s post, that Obama 
>>is in no way causing the Dorner incident.  It 
>>is not the ‘Obama mind set”, he’s a frickin’ 
>>criminal, with a grudge, on a murder spree.  Unarguable.
>>
>>From: 
>><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:25 AM
>>To: <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com
>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
>>
>>Au contraire. Read back to my original 
>>assertion. I was responding only to your 
>>(false) assertion that Obama is not tolerating 
>>crime. Provably he is and I have done so.
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>>On 2/12/2013 9:33 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>>I am not arguing anything.  I told you I 
>>wouldn’t go there.  All I am saying is that 
>>there are those who could argue on these points 
>>that he is not responsible.  Not me.  Not 
>>me.  Not me.  Not me.  Not me.  I won’t go 
>>there.  I won’t argue it – though I do not 
>>believe it is “unarguable”.  I sometimes tend 
>>to think that your definition of “unarguable” 
>>is:  adj;  Dennis says so, so it is absolute.
>>
>>You are carrying this to ridiculous 
>>extremes.  Read back my ORIGINAL claim that 
>>Obama is not causing the crime in this country 
>>– specifically citing John’s post regarding 
>>Dorner here in California.  He referred to 
>>Dorner’s (and the consequential) actions as the 
>>“Obama mindset”.  How about addressing that for 
>>a while.  Give “unarguable” a rest, or at least 
>>apply it to that situation.  That one I will argue – unarguable or not.
>>
>>From: 
>><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:45 PM
>>To: <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com
>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>>Come on Stephen. Voter intimidation is a 
>>violation of law. How can one argue it is not? 
>>Selling guns to known gun runners is a 
>>violation of the law. How can you argue it is not?
>>
>>On 2/12/2013 6:26 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>>I don’t know that all of this has happened 
>>since Obama.  I think a lot of it has been in the works for a long time.
>>
>>Your claim abut that which is unarguable.  For 
>>many it is very arguable.  Though I do agree is 
>>fruitless to argue with either position.
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>>From: 
>><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:44 AM
>>To: <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com
>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
>>
>>I think you are back peddling or at least 
>>deflecting. I said nothing about torture or any 
>>debatable crimes. I am talking about blatant 
>>violations of the law (provable) that Holder 
>>has said he will ignore (such as voter 
>>intimidation by the New Black Panthers) or the 
>>now infamous Fast and Furious. Holder has 
>>publicly stated he will not prosecute certain 
>>black on white crimes. I am not aware of any 
>>law violations knowingly tolerated by Bush. 
>>However, if you are, then let me know and I will equally condemn them.
>>
>>I agree with your general assessment that Obama 
>>is not responsible for crimes. However, it is 
>>not arguable that the liberal mindset of PC and 
>>"tolerance" (except for those with whom they 
>>disagree) has had a debilitating effect on our 
>>culture in general and Obama has taken that 
>>mindset to new highs to the ultimate detriment of everyone.
>>
>>On 2/11/2013 10:38 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>>Sorry, I won’t buy into this.  If I do, then I 
>>also buy into Bush committing war crimes, and we are still even.
>>
>>I will not get into the political battle of 
>>Holder, Obama, Bush, torture, none of that.  No one can win those discussions.
>>
>>And I still assert my original point.  Obama is 
>>not responsible for present day crime any more 
>>than Bush was during his tenure in 
>>office.  John blames Obama for everything from 
>>crime to bad breath, and that is absolutely no 
>>different than Obama and the democrats blaming 
>>Bush for everything.  No difference whatsoever 
>>– Michael Savage notwithstanding.  SSDD.
>>
>>From: 
>><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
>>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:20 PM
>>To: <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com
>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
>>
>>Oops. You were on a roll until you blew it and 
>>said he is not tolerating crime. Clearly, Eric 
>>Holder provably is. Obama is the boss and he 
>>has not instructed Holder to enforce certain 
>>laws that Holder has been ignoring. Thus he tolerates crime. QED.
>>
>>On 2/11/2013 8:44 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>>John, you are ignoring facts.  But who needs 
>>those, anyway?  Right?  Are you using valid 
>>statistics, John, or just your own 
>>observations?   Your post here is purely 
>>emotional and devoid of any facts or 
>>data.  “Michael Savage says” is not data.  Like 
>>I wrote, John:   your conclusions on this do 
>>not follow from the real, available data.  Non sequitur.  Textbook example.
>>
>>My only point here is to quit blaming Obama for 
>>everything.  I don’t like him.  I despise 
>>him.  But he is no more fully at fault than 
>>Bush was.  He is not fomenting crime, he is not 
>>promoting crime, and he is not tolerating crime 
>>– any more than Bush or any other 
>>president.  When you try to pin all of this on 
>>him – or when the liberals try to pin it all on 
>>Bush – you/they lose all credibility.  There is 
>>no difference between what you are doing and 
>>what the libs try to do to the 
>>conservatives.  One in the same.  Indistinguishable.
>>
>>From: 
>><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:23 PM
>>To: Rushtalk Discussion List
>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>>At 07:30 PM 2/11/2013, you wrote:
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>>John, get a grip.  There was violent crime 
>>prior to Obama.  In fact, in many metro areas, 
>>violent crime is down.  Was the violent crime 
>>from 2000 -> 2008 the Bush mindset?
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>>          Stephen, YOU get a grip, my friend! 
>> Violent crime - no matter who is at fault - is 
>> far more prevalent now than ever before. Do you not see this?
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>>Anything goes?  Maybe in Pennsylvania, but 
>>certainly not here. Again, violent crime is 
>>down here. Still not any tolerable level, but 
>>down. You may label it any way you want, and 
>>you can accuse me of sleeping through it, 
>>ignoring it, whatever you chose. But you will 
>>not intimidate me into your way of thinking.
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>>          I'm not out to intimidate anybody, 
>> Stephen. Either you see it or you don't! 
>> Disregard for one's fellow man is rampant now-a-days.
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>>It is simply illogical, and unfounded.
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>>          I can't help you......................
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>>The true non sequitur.
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>>From: 
>><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:08 PM
>>To: Rushtalk Discussion List; 'Rushtalk Discussion List'
>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>>At 06:36 PM 2/11/2013, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>>From: 
>><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:29 AM
>>To: Rushtalk Discussion List; 'Rushtalk Discussion List'
>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>>At 01:25 PM 2/10/2013, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>>The panic induced shooting of these two women 
>>is a travesty.  But it has NOTHING to do with 
>>Obama.  You continue to lose more and more 
>>credibility when you post like this.  Blaming 
>>this on Obama is as stupid as Obama blaming his stupidity on Bush.
>>
>>          It's a mindset......go back to sleep, Stephen.............
>>
>>Yawn.  The mindset is believing that you – yes, 
>>you –can blame all of the ills of society on 
>>Obama just like he blames all of them on Bush.  There is no difference.
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>>          Again, it's a mindset, as predicted 
>> by Michael Savage........he predicted 
>> lawlessness in October of 2008. We're there. 
>> If you refuse to acknowledge it, that's YOUR 
>> problem. We're at the stage where anything 
>> goes and the Constitution means nothing. Don't 
>> wanna see it? I can't help you. There's no 
>> more protection or law that helps the average 
>> schmuck. It's sad and you don't see it! - jaq
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