[Rushtalk] This is pathetic.

John A. Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Thu Feb 14 21:38:24 MST 2013


At 10:50 AM 2/14/2013, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>Had Dorner lived, do you believe he would have gone unpunished?

         More than likely.............has that 
jihadi in Texas ever been punished? The Fort Hood shooter......

Nidal Malik Hasan?


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>From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
>Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:10 AM
>To: rushtalk at csdco.com
>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>What LAPD is or was is irreverent to my point as 
>I am talking about a national cultural shift. 
>You are free to accuse me of going off on a 
>tangent to some extend and I'll plead guilty. It 
>doesn't matter that you don't care about color. 
>If you disagree with Obama you are a racist by 
>their definition. Sorry but again by today's 
>definition of racism, all those normally illegal 
>things are perfectly justified if they are 
>against whites in order to shift responsibility 
>away from black criminals. To a lesser extent 
>that same thing applies to Muslim radicals. They 
>are not even called terrorists by this 
>administration. That is just the way modern 
>politics are now and I think that was the seed 
>of John's point I was trying to bring out. Again 
>liberals, including this administration, tolerate certain crimes.
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>On 2/14/2013 9:48 AM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>I knew that the race card would be played.  But 
>set that aside for a moment, and just look – in 
>excruciating detail – at the history of the 
>LAPD.  Then come back and claim again that the 
>racism there was a perverted perception.
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>I don’t care what color the victim may be, and I 
>don’t care what crime he or she 
>committed.  Planting evidence, framing, lying in 
>sworn testimony is wrong.  And it was 
>blatant.  Doesn’t excuse what he did, but just 
>maybe up until the time he started his crime spree he really was a victim.
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>Racism is alive and well in this country – and 
>don’t feed me that affirmative action crap 
>line.  I don’t know a single person, not one, 
>that has lost  or not gotten a job because of 
>affirmative action.  I do know people who 
>weren’t sold gas, or groceries, or given a job, 
>or given a promotion because they were black, or 
>Mexican, or something else.  I have stood in 
>line in supposedly tolerant California and 
>watched a rental place refuse to rent something 
>to a black man, and then rent it to the white 
>man behind him.  I have been in a convenience 
>store and heard the owner tell a black man we 
>don’t sell to “niggers”.  My son was traveling 
>through the south on leave from the army and his 
>black friend had to hide in the trunk before 
>they could buy gas.  So don’t preach to me about 
>the “perverted perceptions” of racism.  I am 
>still searching for that one place where it doesn’t exist.
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>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
>Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:04 AM
>To: <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com
>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>Agreed. However, I think John has a seed of a 
>valid point in his argument. There is a mindset 
>that has developed (the offspring of liberal 
>think independent of Obama although he is one of 
>them) that people are not responsible for their 
>own behavior. This is especially true for black 
>criminals who are perceived victims of their 
>perverted definition of racism. There is also a 
>culture of condoning violence, if it is the 
>right type. This all combines to breed a 
>devaluation of life and acceptance of violence. 
>While white on black crime is trumpted by the 
>media as well as politicians as almost entirely 
>caused by racism, the majority of violent crime 
>is black on black and receives no attention at all.
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>On 2/13/2013 6:43 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>All right.  You win.  I painted with too wide a 
>brush.  Mea maxima culpa.  But I stand on my 
>assertion, referring to John’s post, that Obama 
>is in no way causing the Dorner incident.  It is 
>not the ‘Obama mind set”, he’s a frickin’ 
>criminal, with a grudge, on a murder spree.  Unarguable.
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>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
>Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:25 AM
>To: <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com
>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>Au contraire. Read back to my original 
>assertion. I was responding only to your (false) 
>assertion that Obama is not tolerating crime. 
>Provably he is and I have done so.
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>On 2/12/2013 9:33 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>I am not arguing anything.  I told you I 
>wouldn’t go there.  All I am saying is that 
>there are those who could argue on these points 
>that he is not responsible.  Not me.  Not 
>me.  Not me.  Not me.  Not me.  I won’t go 
>there.  I won’t argue it – though I do not 
>believe it is “unarguable”.  I sometimes tend to 
>think that your definition of “unarguable” 
>is:  adj;  Dennis says so, so it is absolute.
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>You are carrying this to ridiculous 
>extremes.  Read back my ORIGINAL claim that 
>Obama is not causing the crime in this country – 
>specifically citing John’s post regarding Dorner 
>here in California.  He referred to Dorner’s 
>(and the consequential) actions as the “Obama 
>mindset”.  How about addressing that for a 
>while.  Give “unarguable” a rest, or at least 
>apply it to that situation.  That one I will argue – unarguable or not.
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>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
>Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:45 PM
>To: <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com
>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>Come on Stephen. Voter intimidation is a 
>violation of law. How can one argue it is not? 
>Selling guns to known gun runners is a violation 
>of the law. How can you argue it is not?
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>On 2/12/2013 6:26 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>I don’t know that all of this has happened since 
>Obama.  I think a lot of it has been in the works for a long time.
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>Your claim abut that which is unarguable.  For 
>many it is very arguable.  Though I do agree is 
>fruitless to argue with either position.
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>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
>Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:44 AM
>To: <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com
>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>I think you are back peddling or at least 
>deflecting. I said nothing about torture or any 
>debatable crimes. I am talking about blatant 
>violations of the law (provable) that Holder has 
>said he will ignore (such as voter intimidation 
>by the New Black Panthers) or the now infamous 
>Fast and Furious. Holder has publicly stated he 
>will not prosecute certain black on white 
>crimes. I am not aware of any law violations 
>knowingly tolerated by Bush. However, if you 
>are, then let me know and I will equally condemn them.
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>I agree with your general assessment that Obama 
>is not responsible for crimes. However, it is 
>not arguable that the liberal mindset of PC and 
>"tolerance" (except for those with whom they 
>disagree) has had a debilitating effect on our 
>culture in general and Obama has taken that 
>mindset to new highs to the ultimate detriment of everyone.
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>On 2/11/2013 10:38 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>Sorry, I won’t buy into this.  If I do, then I 
>also buy into Bush committing war crimes, and we are still even.
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>I will not get into the political battle of 
>Holder, Obama, Bush, torture, none of that.  No one can win those discussions.
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>And I still assert my original point.  Obama is 
>not responsible for present day crime any more 
>than Bush was during his tenure in office.  John 
>blames Obama for everything from crime to bad 
>breath, and that is absolutely no different than 
>Obama and the democrats blaming Bush for 
>everything.  No difference whatsoever – Michael Savage notwithstanding.  SSDD.
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>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:20 PM
>To: <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>rushtalk at csdco.com
>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] This is pathetic.
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>Oops. You were on a roll until you blew it and 
>said he is not tolerating crime. Clearly, Eric 
>Holder provably is. Obama is the boss and he has 
>not instructed Holder to enforce certain laws 
>that Holder has been ignoring. Thus he tolerates crime. QED.
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>On 2/11/2013 8:44 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>John, you are ignoring facts.  But who needs 
>those, anyway?  Right?  Are you using valid 
>statistics, John, or just your own 
>observations?   Your post here is purely 
>emotional and devoid of any facts or 
>data.  “Michael Savage says” is not data.  Like 
>I wrote, John:   your conclusions on this do not 
>follow from the real, available data.  Non sequitur.  Textbook example.
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>My only point here is to quit blaming Obama for 
>everything.  I don’t like him.  I despise 
>him.  But he is no more fully at fault than Bush 
>was.  He is not fomenting crime, he is not 
>promoting crime, and he is not tolerating crime 
>– any more than Bush or any other 
>president.  When you try to pin all of this on 
>him – or when the liberals try to pin it all on 
>Bush – you/they lose all credibility.  There is 
>no difference between what you are doing and 
>what the libs try to do to the 
>conservatives.  One in the same.  Indistinguishable.
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>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:23 PM
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>At 07:30 PM 2/11/2013, you wrote:
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>John, get a grip.  There was violent crime prior 
>to Obama.  In fact, in many metro areas, violent 
>crime is down.  Was the violent crime from 2000 -> 2008 the Bush mindset?
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>          Stephen, YOU get a grip, my friend! 
> Violent crime - no matter who is at fault - is 
> far more prevalent now than ever before. Do you not see this?
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>Anything goes?  Maybe in Pennsylvania, but 
>certainly not here. Again, violent crime is down 
>here. Still not any tolerable level, but down. 
>You may label it any way you want, and you can 
>accuse me of sleeping through it, ignoring it, 
>whatever you chose. But you will not intimidate me into your way of thinking.
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>          I'm not out to intimidate anybody, 
> Stephen. Either you see it or you don't! 
> Disregard for one's fellow man is rampant now-a-days.
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>It is simply illogical, and unfounded.
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>The true non sequitur.
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>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:08 PM
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>At 06:36 PM 2/11/2013, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>From: 
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>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:29 AM
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>At 01:25 PM 2/10/2013, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>The panic induced shooting of these two women is 
>a travesty.  But it has NOTHING to do with 
>Obama.  You continue to lose more and more 
>credibility when you post like this.  Blaming 
>this on Obama is as stupid as Obama blaming his stupidity on Bush.
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>          It's a mindset......go back to sleep, Stephen.............
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>Yawn.  The mindset is believing that you – yes, 
>you –can blame all of the ills of society on 
>Obama just like he blames all of them on Bush.  There is no difference.
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>          Again, it's a mindset, as predicted by 
> Michael Savage........he predicted lawlessness 
> in October of 2008. We're there. If you refuse 
> to acknowledge it, that's YOUR problem. We're 
> at the stage where anything goes and the 
> Constitution means nothing. Don't wanna see it? 
> I can't help you. There's no more protection or 
> law that helps the average schmuck. It's sad and you don't see it! - jaq
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