[Rushtalk] Will you submit & obey? ... I've decided no I will not... You?

Paf Dvorak notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info
Tue Feb 26 12:03:51 MST 2013

At 10:39 AM 2/25/2013 -0800, Carl Spitzer wrote:

When I got my concealed carry permit in Floriduh 
I was privileged to view a movie called 
"Defending Yourself Against Edged Weapons".
So what I've done at this point in my life is 
sold all my guns and gotten proficient with knives.
I've been both shot and cut in my life, and shot 
is definitely preferable, though fatally shot or cut is all the same to me.
Dying in a hail of bullets appeals to the patriot 
in me, though I'm more likely to go in a massive coronary.
So to reiterate, I'm a jeweler and I work out of my house, and I own NO guns.
Come and try to get my gold. I dare you.
Most people, even thugs, (except police) won't 
shoot if they think they don't have to.
That's their weak point.

>   Eric Peters
><http://ericpetersautos.com/category/politics/>Eric Peters Autos
>January 27th, 2013
>Reader Views: 1,014
>In New York, we have a prequel of what’s to come 
>– the repeal of the Second Amendment and summary 
>criminalization of peaceful citizens merely for 
>possessing the means of self-defense, even in 
>their own homes. As in Great Britain, citizens 
>of NY face prison if they use proscribed weapons 
>against murderous thugs – even in their own 
>homes. The tyrants Michael Bloomberg and Andrew 
>Cuomo have made their decision. Now New Yorkers 
>will have to make theirs. And so will the rest 
>of us – if, as seems likely, the federal tyrants 
>succeed in issuing a New York-style fatwa that 
>applies to the rest of the country. Which brings us to the question:
>hag one
>What will you do?
>It is a very hard question. Perhaps the hardest 
>question Americans have had to face since 1861. 
>As then, there may be no peaceful way to 
>preserve our rights. There may be blood. As 
>then, one side is absolutely determined to 
>impose its will at bayonet-point. To murder us 
>in the thousands – perhaps millions, this time - 
>if we refuse to submit. There is no reasoning, 
>no discussing. What we face is violence against 
>our persons by people who absolutely will not 
>leave us in peace – no matter how peaceful we 
>try to be – until we have submitted to them 
>utterly and for all time to come. We wish only 
>to be left alone – and demand that our right to 
>defend ourselves against those who will not 
>leave us alone be respected. That self-defense 
>is the most basic of rights – a right conceded 
>even to the lowest animal. They do not 
>acknowledge our rights; they despise the very 
>notion of us having any rights at all. They 
>regard their power over us as limitless in 
>principle – and rage at even the smallest 
>assertion of freedom of action. They loathe our 
>guns because our ownership of guns is an 
>expression of our determination to defend our 
>very lives – and thus, of self-ownership.
>And that is what cannot be tolerated. Which is 
>why the current bum-rush to disarm us has become 
>absolutely frantic. The moment is at hand. We 
>will either stand up and be reckoned with as 
>free men – or we will sit down forever and 
>accept any degradation, any humiliation. And in 
>that case, we shall have proved worthy of such 
>TSA 2
> Future generations will look upon us with the 
> same mixture of incomprehension and contempt 
> that our generation looked upon those who 
> meekly lined up naked in queue for their turn 
> at the edge of the pit. Because it will come to that, in time.
>For decades, in a slow and incremental way, they 
>have progressively increased their claims on us. 
>On the most intimate details of our private 
>lives. On our literal bodies and those of our 
>children. We no longer enjoy even the vestigial 
>liberty of being free in our own homes. They are 
>everywhere. They recognize no limits, no 
>boundary beyond which they may not assert 
>themselves over us. They read and record our 
>conversations. They demand to know the minutia 
>of our finances. They tell us with whom we must 
>do business – and under what conditions. They 
>lay claim to an unlimited amount of our income. 
>They deny us even the prospect of real ownership 
>of anything more than the clothes on our backs. 
>They assert their “right” – that is, their 
>unchecked power to do us violence – for any and 
>no reason at all, beyond the reason that they 
>have power and we do not. We are on the cusp now 
>of literal, physical enslavement. Of being owned 
>– because we are about to be rendered utterly defenseless.
>Legally rendered 
>If that is not just cause for resistance, then 
>there is no cause for resisting anything, ever. 
>Which is exactly the point being insisted upon: 
>That we have no right to resist, because we have 
>no rights. It is our role to Submit and Obey. 
>Immediately, quietly. To anything and everything 
>they tell us to do. To complacently accept as 
>natural and right that our lives are the 
>playthings of others – who may do with us as 
>they please. That our lives do not matter. Because we do not own our lives.
>Our lives are owned by them.
>If we lose this battle, then we have already 
>lost the war. The rest will be a mopping up 
>operation. Having taken away not merely our guns 
>but succeeded in intellectually defrocking us of 
>the principle of self-defense and self-ownership 
>that possessing arms affirms, it will be a very 
>small thing indeed to take away much else 
>besides.To take away anything – perhaps 
>everything. Why not? We have already surrendered 
>– and thus, already accepted the idea that 
>nothing is off limits, that whatever small 
>measure of vestigial liberty we may still 
>possess is not actually possessed but merely 
>tolerated . . . for the moment. And may be taken 
>from us at any time, at their whim.
>jefferson 1
>A defenseless man should expect no mercy. And a 
>man unwilling to defend himself – and his fellow 
>men – against tyranny deservesnone.
>Michael Bloomberg and Andrew Cuomo have made 
>their decision. Diane Feinstein and Barack Obama will soon make theirs.
>Then it will be our turn.
>I have already made mine. It is the same 
>decision made by 
>Boston (USMC):
>“I will not register my weapons

>“I am not your subject

>“I am not your peasant
>I am not a “tough guy.” I am not looking for a 
>fight. Rather, I desperately wish to avoid one. 
>I’m a middle-aged American just trying to live 
>my life, work, enjoy my pastimes and my friends 
>and family. To be an American. A free American. 
>I dearly value my life. Which is precisely why, 
>if I am backed into a corner by those who refuse 
>to leave me be – even though I harm none – then 
>I will turn and fight. God help me.
>God help us all.
>Throw it in the Woods?
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Paf Dvorak

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