[Rushtalk] Smart Meters

John A. Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Sun Jan 27 21:40:09 MST 2013


At 09:31 AM 1/27/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>OK, so explain the difference between what they can do with a smart 
>meter and a dumb meter other than not sending a technician to your house.

         They can see which of your appliances is on and when (they 
all have chips in them nowadays!).........


>On 1/26/2013 7:22 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
>>At 06:27 PM 1/26/2013, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>>>Back pedaling.  They cannot selectively shut off an appliance.
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>>         They can certainly shut 'em ALL off! They don't have to be 
>> selective!
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>>>From: 
>>><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [ 
>>>mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:12 PM
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>>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Smart Meters
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>>>At 05:02 PM 1/26/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>>
>>>Wong. All they did was cut power.
>>>
>>>          It DOES affect appliances when the power is shut off. 
>>> They won't run!
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>>>On 1/26/2013 4:23 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
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>>>At 07:51 AM 1/26/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>>
>>>Why are people perpetuating this myth? The smart meters can do 
>>>nothing but monitor usage and in some cases shut off all power. 
>>>They can otherwise not do anything to effect thermostats or any 
>>>other appliance.
>>>
>>>          They did in Baltimore in July, 2011. A few people died 
>>> from the heat............
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>>>On 1/25/2013 11:07 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
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>>>Fascist City Arrests Two Moms for Opposing 'Smart Meters' in Homes
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>>>posted on 
>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>January 
>>>25, 2013 by <http://godfatherpolitics.com/author/tadcronn/>Tad Cronn
>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/#disqus_thread>362
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>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>
>>>UN
>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/> 
>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/> 
>>>Two Naperville, Illinois, mothers found out what happens to 
>>>Americans who think they can determine for themselves what is in 
>>>their best interests.
>>>
>>>Malia "Kim" Bendis and Jennifer Stahl were arrested when the city 
>>>sent around armed police officers to escort power company 
>>>technicians to install "smart meters" on private homes where 
>>>owners had previously refused to allow the devices.
>>>
>>>Both Stahl and Bendis are leaders of a group called Naperville 
>>>Smart Meter Awareness which opposes the smart meters for, as the 
>>>Chicago Tribune put it, "health, security and privacy" concerns. 
>>>The group is suing the city over the installations which have 
>>>already occurred in over 57,000 homes.
>>>
>>>The city says the wireless meters will make electricity more 
>>>reliable, more efficient and cheaper. Its installation project is 
>>>99 percent complete, according to city officials, except for a few 
>>>holdouts like Stahl and Bendis.
>>>
>>>Smart meters have been installed in homes across the nation under 
>>>the same pretexts. The truth about smart meters is less innocent 
>>>than government at all levels has let on. The devices were 
>>>conceived and designed as part of the broader environmental 
>>>program that has been adopted under Agenda 21.
>>>
>>>There are several health concerns about the wireless meters, 
>>>including exposure to radiation and electromagnetic fields. Some 
>>>people are apparently sensitive enough that they can hear a 
>>>high-pitched buzz or hum from the meters. Health problems that 
>>>have been documented after installation of the meters have 
>>>included headaches, insomnia, increased irritability, inability to 
>>>concentrate, memory problems, dizziness, fatigue, vision problems, 
>>>nose bleeds, nausea, heart arrhythmia and a whole list of other 
>>>ailments that some doctors have linked to interference with the 
>>>human body's nervous system.
>>>
>>>As bad as all that is, however, the most urgent reason to oppose 
>>>smart meters is because they are fascism in a box. The touted 
>>>efficiency and reliability increases of the meters arise because 
>>>the meters patch a home into a computerized network that allows 
>>>faceless technocrats at some faraway power facility to determine 
>>>if you are using too much electricity and control the utilities 
>>>and even appliances in your home. With smart meters, the utility 
>>>company can turn down or cut off the flow of electricity to your 
>>>house, adjust your thermostat without your knowledge and monitor 
>>>your usage in real time. If you have modern computerized 
>>>appliances, they can control your washing machine, dryer, 
>>>dishwasher, refrigerator, even your coffeemaker.
>>>
>>>Stahl said utility workers ignored a posted sign refusing to allow 
>>>a smart meter, cut a lock on her gate and forced entry into her 
>>>backyard. When she stood in front of her meter and refused to 
>>>move, the police stepped in and arrested her. Bendis declined to 
>>>speak to reporters on advice of her attorney.
>>>
>>>"It was forced on my house today," Stahl said. "It was really a 
>>>violation. I violated something, but I've been violated too, so I 
>>>guess we're now in a society of violating one another."
>>>
>>>She said her group represents other homeowners who were not 
>>>allowed to refuse the smart meter installation.
>>>
>>>The city offers a wired version of the meters but forces 
>>>recipients to pay a $70 fee for installation and an additional $25 per month.
>>>
>>>City Manager Doug Krieger defended the arrests, saying that police 
>>>were simply protecting utility workers at homes where owners had 
>>>resisted previous attempts at installation. He said, "The city has 
>>>always had and maintains the right to access our equipment, and 
>>>today we were simply exercising that right."
>>>
>>>Protecting Americans' rights, on the other hand, apparently isn't 
>>>in the plan.
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