[Rushtalk] Smart Meters

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Mon Jan 28 07:29:30 MST 2013


Nope, none of mine do.

On 1/27/2013 11:40 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
> At 09:31 AM 1/27/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>> OK, so explain the difference between what they can do with a smart
>> meter and a dumb meter other than not sending a technician to your house.
>
>          */They can see which of your appliances is on and when (they
> all have chips in them nowadays!).........
>
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>> On 1/26/2013 7:22 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
>>> At 06:27 PM 1/26/2013, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>>>> Back pedaling.  They cannot selectively shut off an appliance.
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>>>          */They can certainly shut 'em _ALL_ off! They don't have to
>>> be selective!
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>>>> *From:* rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
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>>>> mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>>>> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>] *On Behalf Of *John A. Quayle
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:12 PM
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>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Smart Meters
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>>>> At 05:02 PM 1/26/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wong. All they did was cut power.
>>>>
>>>>          */It _DOES_ affect appliances when the power is shut off.
>>>> They won't run!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> /*On 1/26/2013 4:23 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At 07:51 AM 1/26/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why are people perpetuating this myth? The smart meters can do
>>>> nothing but monitor usage and in some cases shut off all power.
>>>> They can otherwise not do anything to effect thermostats or any
>>>> other appliance.
>>>>
>>>>          */They did in Baltimore in July, 2011. A few people died
>>>> from the heat............
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> /*On 1/25/2013 11:07 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
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>>>>   *Fascist City Arrests Two Moms for Opposing 'Smart Meters' in Homes*
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>>>> posted on January 25, 2013
>>>> <http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>
>>>> by Tad Cronn <http://godfatherpolitics.com/author/tadcronn/>
>>>> 362
>>>> <http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/#disqus_thread>
>>>>
>>>> UN
>>>> <http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>
>>>>  
>>>> <http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>
>>>> <http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>
>>>> Two Naperville, Illinois, mothers found out what happens to
>>>> Americans who think they can determine for themselves what is in
>>>> their best interests.
>>>>
>>>> Malia "Kim" Bendis and Jennifer Stahl were arrested when the city
>>>> sent around armed police officers to escort power company
>>>> technicians to install "smart meters" on private homes where owners
>>>> had previously refused to allow the devices.
>>>>
>>>> Both Stahl and Bendis are leaders of a group called Naperville
>>>> Smart Meter Awareness which opposes the smart meters for, as the
>>>> Chicago Tribune put it, "health, security and privacy" concerns.
>>>> The group is suing the city over the installations which have
>>>> already occurred in over 57,000 homes.
>>>>
>>>> The city says the wireless meters will make electricity more
>>>> reliable, more efficient and cheaper. Its installation project is
>>>> 99 percent complete, according to city officials, except for a few
>>>> holdouts like Stahl and Bendis.
>>>>
>>>> Smart meters have been installed in homes across the nation under
>>>> the same pretexts. The truth about smart meters is less innocent
>>>> than government at all levels has let on. The devices were
>>>> conceived and designed as part of the broader environmental program
>>>> that has been adopted under Agenda 21.
>>>>
>>>> There are several health concerns about the wireless meters,
>>>> including exposure to radiation and electromagnetic fields. Some
>>>> people are apparently sensitive enough that they can hear a
>>>> high-pitched buzz or hum from the meters. Health problems that have
>>>> been documented after installation of the meters have included
>>>> headaches, insomnia, increased irritability, inability to
>>>> concentrate, memory problems, dizziness, fatigue, vision problems,
>>>> nose bleeds, nausea, heart arrhythmia and a whole list of other
>>>> ailments that some doctors have linked to interference with the
>>>> human body's nervous system.
>>>>
>>>> As bad as all that is, however, the most urgent reason to oppose
>>>> smart meters is because they are fascism in a box. The touted
>>>> efficiency and reliability increases of the meters arise because
>>>> the meters patch a home into a computerized network that allows
>>>> faceless technocrats at some faraway power facility to determine if
>>>> you are using too much electricity and control the utilities and
>>>> even appliances in your home. With smart meters, the utility
>>>> company can turn down or cut off the flow of electricity to your
>>>> house, adjust your thermostat without your knowledge and monitor
>>>> your usage in real time. If you have modern computerized
>>>> appliances, they can control your washing machine, dryer,
>>>> dishwasher, refrigerator, even your coffeemaker.
>>>>
>>>> Stahl said utility workers ignored a posted sign refusing to allow
>>>> a smart meter, cut a lock on her gate and forced entry into her
>>>> backyard. When she stood in front of her meter and refused to move,
>>>> the police stepped in and arrested her. Bendis declined to speak to
>>>> reporters on advice of her attorney.
>>>>
>>>> "It was forced on my house today," Stahl said. "It was really a
>>>> violation. I violated something, but I've been violated too, so I
>>>> guess we're now in a society of violating one another."
>>>>
>>>> She said her group represents other homeowners who were not allowed
>>>> to refuse the smart meter installation.
>>>>
>>>> The city offers a wired version of the meters but forces recipients
>>>> to pay a $70 fee for installation and an additional $25 per month.
>>>>
>>>> City Manager Doug Krieger defended the arrests, saying that police
>>>> were simply protecting utility workers at homes where owners had
>>>> resisted previous attempts at installation. He said, "The city has
>>>> always had and maintains the right to access our equipment, and
>>>> today we were simply exercising that right."
>>>>
>>>> Protecting Americans' rights, on the other hand, apparently isn't
>>>> in the plan.
>>>>
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