[Rushtalk] Smart Meters

John A. Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Mon Jan 28 21:13:10 MST 2013


At 09:29 AM 1/28/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>Nope, none of mine do.

         When was the last time you bought one, Dennis? 1954? :-[


>On 1/27/2013 11:40 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
>>At 09:31 AM 1/27/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>>OK, so explain the difference between what they can do with a 
>>>smart meter and a dumb meter other than not sending a technician to your house.
>>
>>         They can see which of your appliances is on and when (they 
>> all have chips in them nowadays!).........
>>
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>>>On 1/26/2013 7:22 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
>>>>At 06:27 PM 1/26/2013, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>>>>>Back pedaling.  They cannot selectively shut off an appliance.
>>>>
>>>>         They can certainly shut 'em ALL off! They don't have to 
>>>> be selective!
>>>>
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>>>>>From: 
>>>>><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [ 
>>>>>mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>>>To: Rushtalk Discussion List; Rushtalk Discussion List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Smart Meters
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>>>>>At 05:02 PM 1/26/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Wong. All they did was cut power.
>>>>>
>>>>>          It DOES affect appliances when the power is shut off. 
>>>>> They won't run!
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>On 1/26/2013 4:23 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>At 07:51 AM 1/26/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Why are people perpetuating this myth? The smart meters can do 
>>>>>nothing but monitor usage and in some cases shut off all power. 
>>>>>They can otherwise not do anything to effect thermostats or any 
>>>>>other appliance.
>>>>>
>>>>>          They did in Baltimore in July, 2011. A few people died 
>>>>> from the heat............
>>>>>
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>>>>>On 1/25/2013 11:07 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
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>>>>>Fascist City Arrests Two Moms for Opposing 'Smart Meters' in Homes
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>>>>>posted on 
>>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>January 
>>>>>25, 2013 by <http://godfatherpolitics.com/author/tadcronn/>Tad Cronn
>>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/#disqus_thread>362
>>>>>
>>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>
>>>>>UN
>>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/> 
>>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/> 
>>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/> 
>>>>>Two Naperville, Illinois, mothers found out what happens to 
>>>>>Americans who think they can determine for themselves what is in 
>>>>>their best interests.
>>>>>
>>>>>Malia "Kim" Bendis and Jennifer Stahl were arrested when the 
>>>>>city sent around armed police officers to escort power company 
>>>>>technicians to install "smart meters" on private homes where 
>>>>>owners had previously refused to allow the devices.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both Stahl and Bendis are leaders of a group called Naperville 
>>>>>Smart Meter Awareness which opposes the smart meters for, as the 
>>>>>Chicago Tribune put it, "health, security and privacy" concerns. 
>>>>>The group is suing the city over the installations which have 
>>>>>already occurred in over 57,000 homes.
>>>>>
>>>>>The city says the wireless meters will make electricity more 
>>>>>reliable, more efficient and cheaper. Its installation project 
>>>>>is 99 percent complete, according to city officials, except for 
>>>>>a few holdouts like Stahl and Bendis.
>>>>>
>>>>>Smart meters have been installed in homes across the nation 
>>>>>under the same pretexts. The truth about smart meters is less 
>>>>>innocent than government at all levels has let on. The devices 
>>>>>were conceived and designed as part of the broader environmental 
>>>>>program that has been adopted under Agenda 21.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are several health concerns about the wireless meters, 
>>>>>including exposure to radiation and electromagnetic fields. Some 
>>>>>people are apparently sensitive enough that they can hear a 
>>>>>high-pitched buzz or hum from the meters. Health problems that 
>>>>>have been documented after installation of the meters have 
>>>>>included headaches, insomnia, increased irritability, inability 
>>>>>to concentrate, memory problems, dizziness, fatigue, vision 
>>>>>problems, nose bleeds, nausea, heart arrhythmia and a whole list 
>>>>>of other ailments that some doctors have linked to interference 
>>>>>with the human body's nervous system.
>>>>>
>>>>>As bad as all that is, however, the most urgent reason to oppose 
>>>>>smart meters is because they are fascism in a box. The touted 
>>>>>efficiency and reliability increases of the meters arise because 
>>>>>the meters patch a home into a computerized network that allows 
>>>>>faceless technocrats at some faraway power facility to determine 
>>>>>if you are using too much electricity and control the utilities 
>>>>>and even appliances in your home. With smart meters, the utility 
>>>>>company can turn down or cut off the flow of electricity to your 
>>>>>house, adjust your thermostat without your knowledge and monitor 
>>>>>your usage in real time. If you have modern computerized 
>>>>>appliances, they can control your washing machine, dryer, 
>>>>>dishwasher, refrigerator, even your coffeemaker.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stahl said utility workers ignored a posted sign refusing to 
>>>>>allow a smart meter, cut a lock on her gate and forced entry 
>>>>>into her backyard. When she stood in front of her meter and 
>>>>>refused to move, the police stepped in and arrested her. Bendis 
>>>>>declined to speak to reporters on advice of her attorney.
>>>>>
>>>>>"It was forced on my house today," Stahl said. "It was really a 
>>>>>violation. I violated something, but I've been violated too, so 
>>>>>I guess we're now in a society of violating one another."
>>>>>
>>>>>She said her group represents other homeowners who were not 
>>>>>allowed to refuse the smart meter installation.
>>>>>
>>>>>The city offers a wired version of the meters but forces 
>>>>>recipients to pay a $70 fee for installation and an additional $25 per month.
>>>>>
>>>>>City Manager Doug Krieger defended the arrests, saying that 
>>>>>police were simply protecting utility workers at homes where 
>>>>>owners had resisted previous attempts at installation. He said, 
>>>>>"The city has always had and maintains the right to access our 
>>>>>equipment, and today we were simply exercising that right."
>>>>>
>>>>>Protecting Americans' rights, on the other hand, apparently 
>>>>>isn't in the plan.
>>>>>
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