[Rushtalk] IT IS THE Psytropic drugs NOT THE GUNS

Paf Dvorak notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info
Mon Jan 28 23:12:31 MST 2013

At 11:39 PM 1/28/2013 -0500, John A. Quayle wrote:
>At 03:33 PM 1/28/2013, Paf Dvorak wrote:
>>I disagree, Carl.
>>It's no more correct to blame the drugs as it is to blame the guns, 
>>and for the same reasons.
>>The blame rests solely upon the shoulders of the criminal.
>         I disagree with YOU, Paf........drugs can alter your 
> thinking. Guns cannot. I took Prozac ten years ago and wanted to 
> blow my own head off. Against doctor's orders, I stopped taking the 
> crap and felt an immediate change.

Yes, I understand. We take drugs very seriously here at Rancho Dvorak 
and know they can effect ones thinking.
And your point is well taken. I also don't believe in addiction, a 
minority opinion for sure.

>>At 06:36 PM 1/27/2013 -0800, Carl Spitzer wrote:
>>>----- Forwarded Message -----
>>>From: "DEKE44 at aol.com" <DEKE44 at aol.com>
>>>To: COGunIssues at yahoogroups.com; GunIssues at yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:47 AM
>>>Subject: [GunIssues] It's a little easier to understand when you 
>>>can see it in a list......Rx
>>>   Here's a direct link to the index:
>>>I do not know the history of this compilation, nor its accuracy, 
>>>but it's worth consideration.
>>>I have been saying this all along... As soon as I hear of some 
>>>dramatic trauma, I ask, "What prescription drugs was this person 
>>>on?" And of course, most people ask me if I am 
>>>prejudiced.......you bet, I am. We need to STOP all the LEGAL 
>>>drugging as well as the illegal drugging. Note that the news media 
>>>(our fourth branch of service to our country) does not mention all 
>>>these drugs and why they are given. Most antidepressants cause 
>>>depression and suicidal behaviors. Let's take them off the market 
>>>and put people on natural remedies or put them out to exercise and 
>>>work. We even have a local Ward in our local hospital designated 
>>>for people who are addicted to their medications and it is so sad 
>>>that so many are senior citizens, too.
>>>It's a little easier to understand when you can see it in a list......R
>>>(Oh, I'm sorry.... Okay... It was the gun's fault....)
>>>Click on the blue 'What' to access a story. Click on a red column 
>>>heading to sort the index by that column.
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2357>School Shooting Prozac 
>>>WITHDRAWAL 2008-02-15 Illinois ** 6 Dead: 15 Wounded: Perpetrator 
>>>Was in Withdrawal from Med & Acting Erratically
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=785>School Shooting Prozac 
>>>Antidepressant 2005-03-24 Minnesota **10 Dead: 7 Wounded: Dosage 
>>>Increased One Week before Rampage
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1145>School Shooting Paxil 
>>>[Seroxat] Antidepressant 2001-03-10 Pennsylvania **14 Year Old 
>>>GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=5007>School Shooting Zoloft 
>>>Antidepressant & ADHD Med 2011-07-11 Alabama **14 Year Old Kills 
>>>Fellow Middle School Student
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1568>School Shooting Zoloft 
>>>Antidepressant 1995-10-12 South Carolina **15 Year Old Shoots Two 
>>>Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3216>School Shooting Med For 
>>>Depression 2009-03-13 Germany **16 Dead Including Shooter: 
>>>Antidepressant Use: Shooter in Treatment For Depression
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4698>School Hostage 
>>>Situation Med For Depression 2010-12-15 France **17 Year Old with 
>>>Sword Holds 20 Children & Teacher Hostage
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2779>School Shooting Plot 
>>>Med For Depression WITHDRAWAL 2008-08-28 Texas **18 Year Old Plots 
>>>a Columbine School Attack
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=302>School Shooting 
>>>Anafranil Antidepressant 1988-05-20 Illinois **29 Year Old WOMAN 
>>>Kills One Child: Wounds Five: Kills Self
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=190>School Shooting 
>>>Luvox/Zoloft Antidepressants 1999-04-20 Colorado **COLUMBINE: 15 
>>>Dead: 24 Wounded
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4852>School Stabbings 
>>>Antidepressants 2001-06-09 Japan **Eight Dead: 15 Wounded: 
>>>Assailant Had Taken 10 Times his Normal Dose of Depression Med
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=609>School Shooting Prozac 
>>>Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 1998-05-21 Oregon **Four Dead: Twenty Injured
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=5227>School Stabbing Med For 
>>>Depression 2011-10-25 Washington **Girl, 15, Stabs Two Girls in 
>>>School Restroom: 1 Is In Critical Condition
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1138>School Shooting 
>>>Antidepressant 2006-09-30 Colorado **Man Assaults Girls: Kills One & Self
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1366>School Machete Attack 
>>>Med for Depression 2001-09-26 Pennsylvania **Man Attacks 11 
>>>Children & 3 Teachers at Elementary School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1711>School Shooting Related 
>>>Luvox 1993-07-23 Florida **Man Commits Murder During Clinical 
>>>Trial for Luvox: Same Drug as in COLUMBINE: Never Reported
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3761>School Hostage 
>>>Situation Cymbalta Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2009-11-09 New York 
>>>**Man With Gun Inside School Holds Principal Hostage
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1586>School Shooting 
>>>Antidepressants 1992-09-20 Texas **Man, Angry Over Daughter's 
>>>Report Card, Shoots 14 Rounds inside Elementary School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3979>School Shooting SSRI 
>>>2010-02-19 Finland **On Sept. 23, 2008 a Finnish Student Shot & 
>>>Killed 9 Students Before Killing Himself
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=627>School Shooting Threat 
>>>Med for Depression* 2004-10-19 New Jersey **Over-Medicated Teen 
>>>Brings Loaded Handguns to School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1725>School Shooting 
>>>Antidepressant? 2007-04-18 Virginia **Possible SSRI Use: 33 Dead 
>>>at Virginia Tech
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1724>School Shooting 
>>>Antidepressant? 2002-01-17 Virginia **Possible SSRI Withdrawal 
>>>Mania: 3 Dead at Law School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4444>School Incident/Bizarre 
>>>Zoloft* 2010-08-22 Australia **School Counselor Exhibits Bizarre 
>>>Behavior: Became Manic On Zoloft
>>>Antidepressant 2009-11-04 California **School Custodian Assaults 
>>>Student & Principal: Had Manic Reaction From Depression Med
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=248>School Shooting Prozac 
>>>Antidepressant 1992-01-30 Michigan **School Teacher Shoots & Kills 
>>>His Superintendent at School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3915>School Shooting Threats 
>>>Celexa Antidepressant 2010-01-25 Virginia **Senior in High School 
>>>Theatens to Kill 4 Classmates: Facebook Involved: Bail Denied
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1628>School Violence/Murder 
>>>Antidepressants* 1998-05-04 New York **Sheriff's Deputy Shoots his 
>>>Wife in an Elementary School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4160>School Knifing/Murder 
>>>Meds For Depression & ADHD 2010-04-28 Massachusetts **Sixteen Year 
>>>Old Kills 15 Year Old in High School Bathroom in Sept. 2009
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4339>School Stabbing 
>>>Wellbutrin 2006-12-04 Indiana **Stabbing by 17 Year Old At High 
>>>School: Charged with Attempted Murder
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1728>School Threat 
>>>Antidepressants 2007-04-23 Mississippi **Student Arrested for 
>>>Making School Threat Over Internet
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1946>School Suspension 
>>>Lexapro Antidepressant 2007-07-28 Arkansas **Student Has 11 
>>>Incidents with Police During his 16 Months on Lexapro
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2186>School Shooting 
>>>Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2007-11-07 Finland **Student Kills 8: 
>>>Wounds 10: Kills Self: High School in Finland
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=489>School Shooting Paxil 
>>>[Seroxat] Antidepressant 2004-02-09 New York **Student Shoots 
>>>Teacher in Leg at School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2361>School Threat Prozac 
>>>Antidepressant 2008-01-25 Washington **Student Takes Loaded 
>>>Shotgun & 3 Rifles to School Parking Lot: Plans Suicide
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1695>School Shooting Plot 
>>>Med For Depression 1998-12-01 Wisconsin **Teen Accused of Plotting 
>>>to Gun Down Students at School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=575>School/Assault Zoloft 
>>>Antidepressant 2006-02-15 Tennessee **Teen Attacks Teacher at School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=999>School Shooting Threat 
>>>Antidepressant 1999-04-16 Idaho **Teen Fires Gun in School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=258>School Hostage Situation 
>>>Paxil & Effexor Antidepressants 2001-04-15 Washington **Teen Holds 
>>>Classmates Hostage with a Gun
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1310>School Hostage 
>>>Situation Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2006-11-28 North Carolina 
>>>**Teen Holds Teacher & Student Hostage with Gun
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1342>School Knife Attack Med 
>>>for Depression 2006-12-06 Indiana **Teen Knife Attacks Fellow Student
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4800>School Massacre Plot 
>>>Prozac Withdrawal 2011-02-23 Virginia **Teen Sentenced to 12 Years 
>>>in Prison For Columbine Style Plot
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=403>School Shooting Celexa & 
>>>Effexor Antidepressants 2001-04-19 California **Teen Shoots at 
>>>Classmates in School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1099>School Shooting Celexa 
>>>Antidepressant 2006-08-30 North Carolina **Teen Shoots at Two 
>>>Students: Kills his Father: Celexa Found Among his Personal Effects
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4819>School Shooting Meds 
>>>For Depression & ADHD 2011-03-18 South Carolina ** Teen Shoots 
>>>School Official: Pipe Bombs Found in Backpack
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=341>School Shooting Threat 
>>>Antidepressant 2003-05-31 Michigan **Teen Threatens School 
>>>Shooting: Charge is Terrorism
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1543>School Stand-Off Zoloft 
>>>Antidepressant 1998-04-13 Idaho **Teen [14 Years Old] in School 
>>>Holds Police At Bay: Fires Shots
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2125>School Shooting 
>>>Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2007-10-12 Ohio **Teen [14 Years Old] 
>>>School Shooter Possibly on Antidepressants or In Withdrawal
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2432>School Threat 
>>>Antidepressants 2008-03-20 Indiana **Teen [16 Years Old] Brings 
>>>Gun to School: There Is a Lockdown
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2366>School Suicide/Lockdown 
>>>Med For Depression 2008-02-20 Idaho **Teen [16 Years Old] Kills 
>>>Self at High School: Lockdown by Police
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2079>School Threats Prozac 
>>>Antidepressant 1999-10-19 Florida **Teen [16 Years Old] Threatens 
>>>Classmates With Knife & Fake Explosives
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2381>School Stabbing Med For 
>>>Depression 2008-02-29 Texas **Teen [17 Year Old GIRL] Stabs Friend 
>>>& Principal at High School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1370>School Hostage 
>>>Situation Prozac/ Paxil Antidepressants 2001-01-18 California 
>>>**Teen [17 Years Old] Takes Girl Hostage at School: He is Killed by Police
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3214>School Knife Attack 
>>>Treatment For Depression & Strattera 2009-03-10 Belgium **Three 
>>>Dead in School Day Care: Two Children & a Caregiver: Happened Jan 23, 2009
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3658>School Shooting Plot 
>>>Antidepressants 2009-09-22 England ** Two English School Boys Plot 
>>>to Blow Up High School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2625>School Arson Incidents 
>>>Paxil 2002-04-12 Michigan **Unusual Personality Change on Paxil 
>>>Caused 15 Year Old to Set Fires inside High School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3446>School Bomb Threat Med 
>>>For Depression 2009-06-29 Australia **Vexed Father Makes Bomb 
>>>Threat Against Elementary School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=879>School Violence 
>>>Antidepressant 2005-11-19 Arizona **Violent 8 Year Old GIRL 
>>>Handcuffed by Police at School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=63>School Violence Celexa 
>>>Antidepressant 2002-01-23 Florida **Violent 8 Year-Old Boy Arrested At School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2475>School Threat/Lockdown 
>>>Lexapro* 2008-04-18 California **Violent High School Student Shot 
>>>to Death on Campus by Police
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2375>School / Child 
>>>Endangerment Antidepressants 2008-02-27 Canada **Wacky School Bus 
>>>Driver Goes Berserk: Also Involved Painkillers
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=633>School Violence Paxil 
>>>2004-10-23 Washington DC **Young Boy, 10 Year Old, Has Violent 
>>>Incidents at School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1733>School Threat 
>>>Wellbutrin Antidepressant 2007-04-24 Tennessee **Young Boy, 12, 
>>>Threatens to Shoot Others at School
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=322>School Hostage Situation 
>>>Med for Depression 2006-03-09 France **Young Ex-Teacher Holds 21 
>>>Students Hostage
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=224>School Shooting/Suicide 
>>>Celexa 2002-10-07 Texas **Young Girl [13 Years Old] Kills Self at 
>>>School With a Gun
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1753>School Hostage 
>>>Situation Paxil 2001-10-12 North Carolina **Young Man Holds Three 
>>>People Hostage in Duke University President's Office
>>><http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2849>School Murder Attempt 
>>>Med For Depression 1995-03-04 California **Young Woman 
>>>Deliberately Hits 3 Kids with Her Car at Elementary School: 
>>>Laughed During Attack
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