[Rushtalk] Smart Meters

Paf Dvorak notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info
Mon Jan 28 23:15:23 MST 2013


At 11:40 PM 1/27/2013 -0500, John A. Quayle wrote:
>At 09:31 AM 1/27/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>OK, so explain the difference between what they can do with a smart 
>>meter and a dumb meter other than not sending a technician to your house.
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>         They can see which of your appliances is on and when (they 
> all have chips in them nowadays!).........

Not all. Some. And usually its the more expensive one that have that 
"feature". Fortunately I can't afford those new fangeled gizmos.



>>On 1/26/2013 7:22 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
>>>At 06:27 PM 1/26/2013, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>>>>Back pedaling. They cannot selectively shut off an appliance.
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>>>         They can certainly shut 'em ALL off! They don't have to 
>>> be selective!
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>>>>From: 
>>>><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [ 
>>>>mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>>To: Rushtalk Discussion List; Rushtalk Discussion List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Smart Meters
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>>>>At 05:02 PM 1/26/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
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>>>>Wong. All they did was cut power.
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>>>>         It DOES affect appliances when the power is shut off. 
>>>> They won't run!
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>>>>On 1/26/2013 4:23 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
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>>>>At 07:51 AM 1/26/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
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>>>>Why are people perpetuating this myth? The smart meters can do 
>>>>nothing but monitor usage and in some cases shut off all power. 
>>>>They can otherwise not do anything to effect thermostats or any 
>>>>other appliance.
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>>>>         They did in Baltimore in July, 2011. A few people died 
>>>> from the heat............
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>>>>On 1/25/2013 11:07 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
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>>>>Fascist City Arrests Two Moms for Opposing 'Smart Meters' in Homes
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>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>January 
>>>>25, 2013 by <http://godfatherpolitics.com/author/tadcronn/>Tad Cronn
>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/#disqus_thread>362
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>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>
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>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/> 
>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/> 
>>>><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/> 
>>>>Two Naperville, Illinois, mothers found out what happens to 
>>>>Americans who think they can determine for themselves what is in 
>>>>their best interests.
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>>>>Malia "Kim" Bendis and Jennifer Stahl were arrested when the city 
>>>>sent around armed police officers to escort power company 
>>>>technicians to install "smart meters" on private homes where 
>>>>owners had previously refused to allow the devices.
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>>>>Both Stahl and Bendis are leaders of a group called Naperville 
>>>>Smart Meter Awareness which opposes the smart meters for, as the 
>>>>Chicago Tribune put it, "health, security and privacy" concerns. 
>>>>The group is suing the city over the installations which have 
>>>>already occurred in over 57,000 homes.
>>>>
>>>>The city says the wireless meters will make electricity more 
>>>>reliable, more efficient and cheaper. Its installation project is 
>>>>99 percent complete, according to city officials, except for a 
>>>>few holdouts like Stahl and Bendis.
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>>>>Smart meters have been installed in homes across the nation under 
>>>>the same pretexts. The truth about smart meters is less innocent 
>>>>than government at all levels has let on. The devices were 
>>>>conceived and designed as part of the broader environmental 
>>>>program that has been adopted under Agenda 21.
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>>>>There are several health concerns about the wireless meters, 
>>>>including exposure to radiation and electromagnetic fields. Some 
>>>>people are apparently sensitive enough that they can hear a 
>>>>high-pitched buzz or hum from the meters. Health problems that 
>>>>have been documented after installation of the meters have 
>>>>included headaches, insomnia, increased irritability, inability 
>>>>to concentrate, memory problems, dizziness, fatigue, vision 
>>>>problems, nose bleeds, nausea, heart arrhythmia and a whole list 
>>>>of other ailments that some doctors have linked to interference 
>>>>with the human body's nervous system.
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>>>>As bad as all that is, however, the most urgent reason to oppose 
>>>>smart meters is because they are fascism in a box. The touted 
>>>>efficiency and reliability increases of the meters arise because 
>>>>the meters patch a home into a computerized network that allows 
>>>>faceless technocrats at some faraway power facility to determine 
>>>>if you are using too much electricity and control the utilities 
>>>>and even appliances in your home. With smart meters, the utility 
>>>>company can turn down or cut off the flow of electricity to your 
>>>>house, adjust your thermostat without your knowledge and monitor 
>>>>your usage in real time. If you have modern computerized 
>>>>appliances, they can control your washing machine, dryer, 
>>>>dishwasher, refrigerator, even your coffeemaker.
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>>>>Stahl said utility workers ignored a posted sign refusing to 
>>>>allow a smart meter, cut a lock on her gate and forced entry into 
>>>>her backyard. When she stood in front of her meter and refused to 
>>>>move, the police stepped in and arrested her. Bendis declined to 
>>>>speak to reporters on advice of her attorney.
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>>>>"It was forced on my house today," Stahl said. "It was really a 
>>>>violation. I violated something, but I've been violated too, so I 
>>>>guess we're now in a society of violating one another."
>>>>
>>>>She said her group represents other homeowners who were not 
>>>>allowed to refuse the smart meter installation.
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>>>>The city offers a wired version of the meters but forces 
>>>>recipients to pay a $70 fee for installation and an additional $25 per month.
>>>>
>>>>City Manager Doug Krieger defended the arrests, saying that 
>>>>police were simply protecting utility workers at homes where 
>>>>owners had resisted previous attempts at installation. He said, 
>>>>"The city has always had and maintains the right to access our 
>>>>equipment, and today we were simply exercising that right."
>>>>
>>>>Protecting Americans' rights, on the other hand, apparently isn't 
>>>>in the plan.
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