[Rushtalk] Smart Meters

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Tue Jan 29 06:14:14 MST 2013


Close but none since chips where added.

On 1/28/2013 11:13 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
> At 09:29 AM 1/28/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>> Nope, none of mine do.
>
>          */When was the last time you bought one, Dennis? 1954? :-[/*
>
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>> On 1/27/2013 11:40 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
>>> At 09:31 AM 1/27/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>>> OK, so explain the difference between what they can do with a smart
>>>> meter and a dumb meter other than not sending a technician to your
>>>> house.
>>>
>>>          */They can see which of your appliances is on and when
>>> (they all have chips in them nowadays!).........
>>>
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>>> /*
>>>> On 1/26/2013 7:22 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
>>>>> At 06:27 PM 1/26/2013, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>>>>>> Back pedaling.  They cannot selectively shut off an appliance.
>>>>>
>>>>>          */They can certainly shut 'em _ALL_ off! They don't have
>>>>> to be selective!
>>>>>
>>>>> /*
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> *From:* rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
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>>>>>> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>] *On Behalf Of *John A. Quayle
>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:12 PM
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>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Smart Meters
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> At 05:02 PM 1/26/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wong. All they did was cut power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          */It _DOES_ affect appliances when the power is shut
>>>>>> off. They won't run!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /*On 1/26/2013 4:23 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 07:51 AM 1/26/2013, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are people perpetuating this myth? The smart meters can do
>>>>>> nothing but monitor usage and in some cases shut off all power.
>>>>>> They can otherwise not do anything to effect thermostats or any
>>>>>> other appliance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          */They did in Baltimore in July, 2011. A few people died
>>>>>> from the heat............
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /*On 1/25/2013 11:07 PM, John A. Quayle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
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>>>>>>   *Fascist City Arrests Two Moms for Opposing 'Smart Meters' in
>>>>>>   Homes*
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> posted on January 25, 2013
>>>>>> <http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>
>>>>>> by Tad Cronn <http://godfatherpolitics.com/author/tadcronn/>
>>>>>> 362
>>>>>> <http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/#disqus_thread>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> UN
>>>>>> <http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> <http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>
>>>>>> <http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/><http://godfatherpolitics.com/9154/city-arrests-two-moms-for-opposing-smart-meters-in-homes/>Two
>>>>>> Naperville, Illinois, mothers found out what happens to Americans
>>>>>> who think they can determine for themselves what is in their best
>>>>>> interests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Malia "Kim" Bendis and Jennifer Stahl were arrested when the city
>>>>>> sent around armed police officers to escort power company
>>>>>> technicians to install "smart meters" on private homes where
>>>>>> owners had previously refused to allow the devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both Stahl and Bendis are leaders of a group called Naperville
>>>>>> Smart Meter Awareness which opposes the smart meters for, as the
>>>>>> Chicago Tribune put it, "health, security and privacy" concerns.
>>>>>> The group is suing the city over the installations which have
>>>>>> already occurred in over 57,000 homes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The city says the wireless meters will make electricity more
>>>>>> reliable, more efficient and cheaper. Its installation project is
>>>>>> 99 percent complete, according to city officials, except for a
>>>>>> few holdouts like Stahl and Bendis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smart meters have been installed in homes across the nation under
>>>>>> the same pretexts. The truth about smart meters is less innocent
>>>>>> than government at all levels has let on. The devices were
>>>>>> conceived and designed as part of the broader environmental
>>>>>> program that has been adopted under Agenda 21.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are several health concerns about the wireless meters,
>>>>>> including exposure to radiation and electromagnetic fields. Some
>>>>>> people are apparently sensitive enough that they can hear a
>>>>>> high-pitched buzz or hum from the meters. Health problems that
>>>>>> have been documented after installation of the meters have
>>>>>> included headaches, insomnia, increased irritability, inability
>>>>>> to concentrate, memory problems, dizziness, fatigue, vision
>>>>>> problems, nose bleeds, nausea, heart arrhythmia and a whole list
>>>>>> of other ailments that some doctors have linked to interference
>>>>>> with the human body's nervous system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As bad as all that is, however, the most urgent reason to oppose
>>>>>> smart meters is because they are fascism in a box. The touted
>>>>>> efficiency and reliability increases of the meters arise because
>>>>>> the meters patch a home into a computerized network that allows
>>>>>> faceless technocrats at some faraway power facility to determine
>>>>>> if you are using too much electricity and control the utilities
>>>>>> and even appliances in your home. With smart meters, the utility
>>>>>> company can turn down or cut off the flow of electricity to your
>>>>>> house, adjust your thermostat without your knowledge and monitor
>>>>>> your usage in real time. If you have modern computerized
>>>>>> appliances, they can control your washing machine, dryer,
>>>>>> dishwasher, refrigerator, even your coffeemaker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stahl said utility workers ignored a posted sign refusing to
>>>>>> allow a smart meter, cut a lock on her gate and forced entry into
>>>>>> her backyard. When she stood in front of her meter and refused to
>>>>>> move, the police stepped in and arrested her. Bendis declined to
>>>>>> speak to reporters on advice of her attorney.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It was forced on my house today," Stahl said. "It was really a
>>>>>> violation. I violated something, but I've been violated too, so I
>>>>>> guess we're now in a society of violating one another."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She said her group represents other homeowners who were not
>>>>>> allowed to refuse the smart meter installation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The city offers a wired version of the meters but forces
>>>>>> recipients to pay a $70 fee for installation and an additional
>>>>>> $25 per month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> City Manager Doug Krieger defended the arrests, saying that
>>>>>> police were simply protecting utility workers at homes where
>>>>>> owners had resisted previous attempts at installation. He said,
>>>>>> "The city has always had and maintains the right to access our
>>>>>> equipment, and today we were simply exercising that right."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Protecting Americans' rights, on the other hand, apparently isn't
>>>>>> in the plan.
>>>>>>
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