[Rushtalk] Happy Death-by-Government Day!

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Wed Jun 5 17:55:30 MDT 2013


In the case of oil, it is more like, we have lots but we want yours
instead. Especially since it makes it cost so much more that way. </sarcasm>

On 6/5/2013 7:35 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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> I can see some value in what you write, but what gives us the right to
> force our views on others?  The simplest word for that is bullying. 
> "You're going to do it our way because we are big enough to make
> you."  As far as oil:  you have it, we want it, we have a right to it,
> we'll take it.  Are we "free" to do that?  I wonder.
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> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Tom Matiska
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 05, 2013 2:17 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Happy Death-by-Government Day!
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> --- On *Wed, 6/5/13, Paf Dvorak /<notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info
> <mailto:notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info>>/* wrote:
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> At 09:56 AM 6/5/2013 -0700, Tom Matiska wrote:
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> My general observation about these types of debates is we tend to get
> myopic about the U.S. role and forget others had more to do with it
> than our govt.
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> Big picture is the war was going on years before LBJ and McNamara
> escalated our involvement. Hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese and
> millions of Cambodians continued to die long after Kissinger and Lee
> DucTho won the Nobel Prize for Wishful Thinking.
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> The South suffered higher civilian casualties because the Soviets and
> China helped Uncle Ho export more war to the south than we took to the
> North. The South suffered another 6 digit civilian toll after the war.
> Cambodia and Laos also. Pol Pot was responsible for a 7 digit death
> toll....etc..etc... but somehow it as always about us.
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> So then you agree that the Vietnam war had absolutely nothing to do
> with preserving our freedoms?
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> Not at all.  The answer is as simple as defining where "our" freedom
> begins or ends?      Does someone have to be knocking on your door and
> directly threatening your freedom before it matters to you?  Korea and
> Vietnam seem far removed,  but how about threats  to democracy here in
> our hemisphere?  Say Cuba or Nicaragua close?   OK if freedom or
> democracy dies in places x miles away?
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> How about threats to the oil supply that drives western economies?  Is
> economic freedom worth defending?  OK with you if despots destabilized
> the world economy because they aren't happy with the billons they have?
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> If you want to be free to bend over an oil barrel or go to work in
> buildings that blow up that is your choice, not mine.
>
> Tom*
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