[Rushtalk] Happy Death-by-Government Day!

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Sun Jun 16 10:30:48 MDT 2013


Be realistic. How can one who grew up in the 20th century possibly
understand the mores of those that grew up in the 18th century?

On 6/14/2013 6:31 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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> Semantics. The Constitutional crisis was about state rights. Namely
> property. That the property was human beings is really irrelevant. The
> northern states also refused to return livestock that accompanied the
> slaves. Surely you would agree that much is indeed theft. You cannot
> hold 19th century morals to 21st century standards.
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> Yes we can -- and should.  Are we going to be satisfied 100 years from
> now looking back and saying -- well, abortion was legal, so it was
> OK?  I don't think so.  Slavery is wrong.  Period.  Always was, is,
> and always will be.  Legal doesn't make it right or moral.
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> On 6/14/2013 11:31 AM, Tom Matiska wrote:
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>     *Add that to my point.  The whole of the "State's rights'" debate
>     was centered on the wrongs of slavery.
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>     Tom*
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>     --- On *Fri, 6/14/13, Dennis Putnam /<dap1 at bellsouth.net>
>     <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net>/* wrote:
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>     From: Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net> <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net>
>     Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Happy Death-by-Government Day!
>     To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>     Date: Friday, June 14, 2013, 8:25 AM
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>     Not quite. Slaves were considered property. When slaves escaped to
>     the north the owners demanded return of their property and some
>     refused. That was the trigger point at which time the southern
>     states demanded their rights as states. There was nothing in the
>     Constitution that granted the federal government the power to
>     regulate private property between states, nor does such exist
>     today. The federal authorities refused to facilitate the return of
>     property so the south decided to secede. If the war was strictly
>     about slavery, why did it takes 2 years of war before Lincoln
>     issued the Emancipation Proclamation?
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>     On 6/14/2013 5:55 AM, Tom Matiska wrote:
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>         --- On *Thu, 6/13/13, John A. Quayle /<blueoval57 at verizon.net>
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>                 */Actually, Tom......it was about State's Rights, not
>         slavery! /*
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>         */The right of states to allow slavery,  the right to expand
>         slavery westward to new states, , and the right of states to
>         secede over slavery pretty much covers all the state's rights
>         discussions of the era.
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>         Tom/*
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