[Rushtalk] Happy Death-by-Government Day!

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Mon Jun 17 06:26:53 MDT 2013


It is only wrong because you are looking at through 20th century
glasses. If you were brought up to believe it was OK, you would
obviously not think it was wrong.

On 6/16/2013 5:52 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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> Some things are just plain wrong.  Abortion and slavery come to mind. 
> Whether it is now, back then, or looked back upon 100 years from now. 
> Legal doesn't make it right -- then or now.
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> *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:31 AM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Happy Death-by-Government Day!
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> Be realistic. How can one who grew up in the 20th century possibly
> understand the mores of those that grew up in the 18th century?
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> On 6/14/2013 6:31 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>     Semantics. The Constitutional crisis was about state rights.
>     Namely property. That the property was human beings is really
>     irrelevant. The northern states also refused to return livestock
>     that accompanied the slaves. Surely you would agree that much is
>     indeed theft. You cannot hold 19th century morals to 21st century
>     standards.
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>     Yes we can -- and should.  Are we going to be satisfied 100 years
>     from now looking back and saying -- well, abortion was legal, so
>     it was OK?  I don't think so.  Slavery is wrong.  Period.  Always
>     was, is, and always will be.  Legal doesn't make it right or moral.
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>     On 6/14/2013 11:31 AM, Tom Matiska wrote:
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>         *Add that to my point.  The whole of the "State's rights'"
>         debate was centered on the wrongs of slavery.
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>         Tom*
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>         --- On *Fri, 6/14/13, Dennis Putnam /<dap1 at bellsouth.net>
>         <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net>/* wrote:
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>         From: Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net>
>         <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net>
>         Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Happy Death-by-Government Day!
>         To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>         Date: Friday, June 14, 2013, 8:25 AM
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>         Not quite. Slaves were considered property. When slaves
>         escaped to the north the owners demanded return of their
>         property and some refused. That was the trigger point at which
>         time the southern states demanded their rights as states.
>         There was nothing in the Constitution that granted the federal
>         government the power to regulate private property between
>         states, nor does such exist today. The federal authorities
>         refused to facilitate the return of property so the south
>         decided to secede. If the war was strictly about slavery, why
>         did it takes 2 years of war before Lincoln issued the
>         Emancipation Proclamation?
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>         On 6/14/2013 5:55 AM, Tom Matiska wrote:
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>             --- On *Thu, 6/13/13, John A. Quayle
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>             </mc/compose?to=blueoval57 at verizon.net>/* wrote:
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>                     */Actually, Tom......it was about State's Rights,
>             not slavery! /*
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>             */The right of states to allow slavery,  the right to
>             expand slavery westward to new states, , and the right of
>             states to secede over slavery pretty much covers all the
>             state's rights discussions of the era.
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>             Tom/*
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