[Rushtalk] Happy Death-by-Government Day!
winblows at lavabit.com
Sat Jun 29 22:02:35 MDT 2013
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 11:42 -0400, Frosty wrote:
> At 02:55 AM 6/14/2013 -0700, Tom Matiska wrote:
> > --- On Thu, 6/13/13, John A. Quayle <blueoval57 at verizon.net> wrote:
> > Actually, Tom......it was about State's Rights, not
> > slavery!
> > The right of states to allow slavery, the right to expand
> > slavery westward to new states, , and the right of states to
> > secede over slavery pretty much covers all the state's
> > rights discussions of the era.
> And your point of view is that states don't have the right to separate
> from the feds for any reason. But the right of succession was a HUGE
> point when the constitution was drafted and it was supposed to be
> conceded that states would have that right. It's why we fought a war
> over it. While slavery was the issue, the southern slaveholding states
> succeeded legally.
> From Wikipedia:
> The Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the
> Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union was a proclamation
> issued on December 24, 1860, by the government of South Carolina to
> explain its reasons for seceding from the United States. It followed
> the brief Ordinance of Secession that had been issued on December 20.
> The declaration is a product of a convention organized by the state's
> government in the month following the election of Abraham Lincoln as
> U.S. President, where it was drafted in a committee headed by
> Christopher Memminger.
Ron Paul- Secession is an American Principle
Ron Paul- Secession is an American Principle
America came into being because we seceded from the British Empire. This
all started over a little tax on TEA. We formed these United States by
the consent of the governed. Being required to consent is a
contradiction of terms.
Amendment X – Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people.
No power to prevent secession was ever delegated to Congress by the
Secession was not prohibited to the States.
THEREFORE; Secession is a right reserved to the States under the Tenth
Does it make sense that an entire country should be ruled by a city?
Our Declaration of Independence stated this:
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal
station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a
decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That
to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving
their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any
Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of
the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in
such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
Please read the REST of the Declaration of Independence and see how many
of the ”causes which impel them to the separation” have happened again.
34 states now have movements to secede. If all 50 states secede we will
not miss having Washington DC. Which state will now be “Most likely to
Washington DC. & the states that stay behind can form the Union of
Soviet Socialist America.
One important point:
You do not secede with a petition to the tyrant. You secede by a vote in
your state legislature.
Another important point:
South Carolina did not secede to preserve slavery. South Carolina
seceded to defend sovereignty. This time a secession would be defending
sovereignty, and ALSO opposing slavery. Then the original constitutional
republic, that we lost, would be able to elect President Paul in a FAIR
election. No state actually needs to secede since Washington has already
seceded from US. We just need to re-establish our constitutional
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Wetbacks and H1B go home.
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