[Rushtalk] demolish all mosques

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Sat Nov 30 06:25:57 MST 2013


On 11/29/2013 9:16 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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> Maybe you're right.  If someone doesn't agree with us, kill them --
> and all the innocents just become collateral damage.  We can do it
> under the guise of "better them than us".
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Another non-sequitur. Those with whom we disagree have nothing to do
with those who would kill us.
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> I don't have a better answer, but I have yet to read about or study
> about any war that didn't eventually lead to another, and another, and
> another.  We don't solve anything, we just change the reason a little.
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Then I guess until you do, you shouldn't chastise those who want to
defend themselves.
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> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
> *Sent:* Friday, November 29, 2013 5:40 PM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] demolish all mosques
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> On 11/29/2013 8:29 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>     Not a tangent.  History shows that for some many countable number
>     of years, Christians were quite willing to torture and kill, along
>     with their own enablers.
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> We'll have t9o agree to disagree. I don't believe there is a moral
> equivalency.
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> That aside, what do you propose?
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> Exactly what we're doing. In spite of all my disagreements with
> Obama's policies in general, this is the one place I can agree with
> him. Continue with the Bush policy of world wide drone attacks on
> fanatical leaders. One additional policy, is that I would go after the
> sponsor of most of the trouble in the middle east. I would choke off
> Iran completely from the rest of the world, including Russia and China.
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> Execute ALL Muslims.  Outlaw Islam?  What about the millions of law
> abiding Islamists?  Will they just be collateral damage?  What's your
> suggestion?
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> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:58 PM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] demolish all mosques
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> Don't go off on a tangent on me. We hare talking about those that have
> proven their willingness to kill along with their enablers.
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> On 11/28/2013 10:06 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>     Agreed.  Nor does "turn the other cheek" mean we can kill those we
>     believe **may** do us harm.  So whom do we kill under the doctrine
>     of "self-defense"?  Anyone and everyone that's the same color, or
>     the same religion, or whatever as those who have killed before? 
>     Those innocents who have died as result of "collateral damage" in
>     our war on terror may harbor the same sentiment.  May they start
>     killing us in self-defense?  Where would this ever stop?  I wonder?
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>     *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>     <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>     [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
>     *Sent:* Thursday, November 28, 2013 5:11 PM
>     *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] demolish all mosques
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>     I don't know about waving the flag of Christianity but I'm sure
>     "turn the other cheek' was not intended to mean allow yourself to
>     be killed. Self defense is a logical extension of the right to life.
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>     On 11/28/2013 11:07 AM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>         I don't deny that, Dennis.  So maybe we should just kill them
>         all while proudly waving the banner of our Christianity.  I am
>         sure that's what Our Loving Savior has always intended.  He
>         died for our freedom to do that.
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>         *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>         <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>         [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
>         *Sent:* Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:20 AM
>         *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>         *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] demolish all mosques
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>         On 11/27/2013 7:34 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>             The inquisition come to mind.
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>             The cutting off of native American's earlobes for not
>             converting to Christianity comes to mind.  The denying
>             medical treatment to those who wouldn't convert to
>             Christianity comes to mind.
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>         Hardly valid comparisons (note: I'd rather have my earlobe cut
>         off then beheaded or fed feet first into a chipper or thrown
>         off a 2nd story building multiple times until I died). And
>         when those incidents happened, were there world wide
>         celebrations in the streets by Christians? That is the
>         difference. I would bet that condemnations of those incidents
>         exceeded or at least equaled celebrations. Unlike the opposite
>         from world wide Muslims.
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>         Just to name a few.
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>             Religious fanatics aren't limited to any single denomination.
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>         I never said they were. What I tried to say, and obviously
>         failed, is that Muslims are the only set of fanatics that
>         declared open war on non-Muslims and whose vast non-fantaical
>         majority celebrate in the streets when non-Muslims are
>         senselessly slaughtered. And no where, it seems, is there any
>         open condemnation.
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>         *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>         <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>         [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:12 PM
>         *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>         *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] demolish all mosques
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>         I understand your basic point but I think you missed Steven's.
>         I know of no incident of Christians, unprovoked, murdering
>         3000 innocent people because they didn't like their religion
>         or way of life. Perhaps if you do you can tell me about it and
>         bring me closer into line with your thinking.
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>         On 11/26/2013 7:50 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>             Freedom of religion -- as long as it's ours.
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>             We're no better than those we eschew.  Not one damned bit.
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>             *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
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>             [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *John A.
>             Quayle
>             *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:47 PM
>             *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List
>             *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] demolish all mosques
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>             At 04:50 PM 11/26/2013, you wrote:
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>             *From:*Paf Dvorak <notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info
>             <mailto:notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info>>
>             *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List <rushtalk at csdco.com
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>             *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:36 PM
>             *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] demolish all mosques
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>             At 05:06 AM 11/26/2013 -0800, Steven Laib wrote:
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>             If true, they are way ahead of us. 
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>             SDL
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>             Did you miss the part where they're outlawing *other*
>             religions?
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>             Apparently, I did.  That part I don't hold with.  Islam is
>             a violent political cult, not a religion in my opinion. 
>             Others don't have that label in my book.
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>                      */_AGREED_/**/!!!!
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>             *From:*Paf Dvorak <notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info
>             <mailto:notmyname at thatswaytoomuch.info>>
>             *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>             *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2013 10:35 PM
>             *Subject:* [Rushtalk] demolish all mosques
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>             Angola bans Islam, will demolish all mosques   
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>               Angola bans Islam, will demolish all mosques
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>             9:02 AM 11/25/2013
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>             <http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/angola-bans-islam-will-demolish-all-mosques/>A
>             number of newspapers in the region are reporting that the
>             Republic of Angola has outlawed Islam, apparently in an
>             effort to thwart the spread of Muslim radicalism in the
>             country.
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>             Among them was La Nouvelle Tribune, a French-language
>             newspaper out of Morocco, reports the International
>             Business Times
>             <http://www.ibtimes.com/angola-bans-islam-dismantles-mosques-according-news-reports-1483660>.
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>             La Nouvelle Tribune observed that a minaret on an Angolan
>             mosque had been removed previously. Also, in the small
>             city of Zango, not far from the capital of Luanda,
>             government officials reportedly destroyed a mosque.
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>             The Moroccan paper quoted AngolaâEUR^(TM)s minister of
>             culture, Rosa Cruz e Silva, for details.
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>             âEURoeThe process of legalization of Islam has not been
>             approved by the Ministry of Justice and Human Rights,âEUR?
>             Cruz e Silva said. âEURoeTheir mosques would be closed
>             until further notice.âEUR?
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>             The ban, which includes an order to destroy all mosques in
>             the country, isnâEUR^(TM)t specific to Islam, according to
>             India Today
>             <http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/angola-first-country-to-ban-islam-muslims-mosques-demolished/1/326414.html>.
>             Other faiths which donâEUR^(TM)t meet government approval
>             will face the same restrictions.
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>             âEURoeAll sects on the list published by the Ministry of
>             Justice and Human Rights in the Angolan newspaper
>             âEUR~Jornal de AngolaâEUR^(TM) are prohibited to conduct
>             worship, so they should keep their doors closed,âEUR? Cruz
>             e Silva was quoted by as saying by the Cameroon Voice.
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>             ItâEUR^(TM)s not clear which other religions are included.
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>             Other government officials firmly agreed with the culture
>             minister.
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>             Bento Francisco Bento, governor of the countryâEUR^(TM)s
>             Luanda province, has declared that radical Muslims are
>             âEURoenot welcome in Angola.âEUR?
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>             âEURoeThis is the final end of Islamic influence in our
>             country,âEUR? added AngolaâEUR^(TM)s President José
>             Eduardo dos Santos.
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>             According to the CIAâEUR^(TM)s World Factbook
>             <https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ao.html>,
>             the people of Angola are mostly a mix of local tribes.
>             ThereâEUR^(TM)s a very small minority of Europeans.
>             ThereâEUR^(TM)s also a healthy 22 percent representation
>             from ethnic groups called âEURoeother.âEUR?
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>             About 50 percent of the people in Angola practice
>             indigenous religious beliefs. Roman Catholics make up 38
>             percent of the population. Protestants make up 15 percent.
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>             To whatever extent adherents of Islam are living among the
>             18 million or so inhabitants in Angola, then, the
>             population is by all accounts very small.
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>             Portuguese is the official language of Angola. The country
>             is slightly less than twice the size of Texas.
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>             education-related story tips to erico at dailycaller.com
>             <mailto:erico at dailycaller.com>/.
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>             Read more:
>             http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/angola-bans-islam-will-demolish-all-mosques/#ixzz2litMvktg
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