[Rushtalk] When Hollywood Had *REAL* Men..........

Stephen A. Frye s.frye at verizon.net
Sat Feb 15 09:27:43 MST 2014

I work in a facility with roughly 2000 people.  To my knowledge, I am the
only vet there.  With an active military force of roughly 2 million, and a
population of 315,000,000, (about 63 hundredths of a percent) I doubt we'll
find a good statistical representation in any anecdotal sub-culture or
selected group.


If the comparison is today vs. WWII, we could make the same claim regarding
just about any group.  Comparing the same two eras, and two random groups of
people, recall that there was broad age-range conscription.  Many during
that time enlisted due to patriotism, others simply to get  a better choice
of duty.


The military today is comprised of many, many very brave men and women, but
a large, countable percentage of those are economically under privileged,
and are doing so as a necessity.


If I voice or pen criticism against those who don't go into the military, I
am attacking a pretty significant portion of the American population.  I'm
not sure it's well placed or even deserved.


From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On
Behalf Of John A. Quayle
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 7:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] When Hollywood Had *REAL* Men..........


At 10:38 AM 2/15/2014, you wrote:

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Yu ask a good question, John.  I'll ask another:  How many on this list have
done so?

         I was "4F - medically unfit" (I have absolutely ZERO arch in either

From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
<mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> ] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:44 AM
To: Rushtalk
Subject: [Rushtalk] When Hollywood Had *REAL* Men..........

     They Were MEN!!!

 I can only share this with people roughly my age, since many people today
have no idea who these men were -- and that's a pity ...

 Sterling Hayden, US Marines and OSS. Smuggled guns into Yugoslavia and
parachuted into Croatia.
 James Stewart, US Army Air Corps. Bomber pilot who rose to the rank of
 Ernest Borgnine, US Navy. Gunners Mate 1c, destroyer USS Lamberton.
 Ed McMahon, US Marines. Fighter Pilot. (Flew OE-1 Bird Dogs over Korea as
 Telly Savalas, US Army.
 Walter Matthau, US Army Air Corps., B-24 Radioman/Gunner and cryptographer.
 Steve Forrest, US Army. Wounded, Battle of the Bulge.

 Jonathan Winters, USMC. Battleship USS Wisconsin and Carrier USS Bon Homme
Richard. Anti-aircraft gunner, Battle of Okinawa.
 Paul Newman, US Navy Rear seat gunner/radioman, torpedo bombers of USS
Bunker Hill
 Kirk Douglas, US Navy. Sub-chaser in the Pacific. Wounded in action and
medically discharged.
 Robert Mitchum, US Army.
 Dale Robertson, US Army. Tank Commander in North Africa under Patton.
Wounded twice. Battlefield Commission.
 Henry Fonda, US Navy. Destroyer USS Satterlee.
 John Carroll, US Army Air Corps. Pilot in North Africa. Broke his back in a
 Lee Marvin US Marines. Sniper. Wounded in action on Saipan. Buried in
Arlington National Cemetery, Sec. 7A next to Greg Boyington and Joe Louis.
 Art Carney, US Army. Wounded on Normandy beach, D-Day. Limped for the rest
of his life.
 Wayne Morris, US Navy fighter pilot, USS Essex.  Downed seven Japanese
 Rod Steiger, US Navy. Was aboard one of the ships that launched the
Doolittle Raid.
 Tony Curtis, US Navy. Sub tender USS Proteus. In Tokyo Bay for the
surrender of Japan.
 Larry Storch. US Navy. Sub tender USS Proteuswith Tony Curtis.
 Forrest Tucker, US Army. Enlisted as a private, rose to Lieutenant.
 Robert Montgomery, US Navy.
 George Kennedy, US Army. Enlisted after Pearl Harbor, stayed in sixteen
 Mickey Rooney, US Army under Patton. Bronze Star.
 Denver Pyle, US Navy. Wounded in the Battle of Guadalcanal. Medically
 Burgess Meredith, US Army Air Corps.
 DeForest Kelley, US Army Air Corps.
 Robert Stack, US Navy. Gunnery Officer.
 Neville Brand, US Army, Europe. Was awarded the Silver Star and Purple
 Tyrone Power, US Marines. Transport pilot in the Pacific Theater.
 Charlton Heston, US Army Air Corps. Radio operator and aerial gunner on a
B-25, Aleutians.
 Danny Aiello, US Army. Lied about his age to enlist at 16. Served three
 James Arness, US Army. As an infantryman, he was severely wounded at Anzio,
 Efram Zimbalist, Jr., US Army. Purple Heart for a severe wound received at
Huertgen Forest.
 Mickey Spillane, US Army Air Corps, Fighter Pilot and later Instructor
 Rod Serling. US Army. 11th Airborne Division in the Pacific. He jumped at
Tagaytay in the Philippines and was later wounded in Manila.
 Gene Autry, US Army Air Corps. Crewman on transports that ferried supplies
over "The Hump" in the China-Burma-India Theater.
 Wiliam Holden, US Army Air Corps.
 Alan Hale Jr, US Coast Guard.
 Harry Dean Stanton, US Navy. Battle of Okinawa.
 Russell Johnson, US Army Air Corps. B-24 crewman who was awarded Purple
Heart when his aircraft was shot down by the Japanese in the Philippines.
 William Conrad, US Army Air Corps. Fighter Pilot.
 Jack Klugman, US Army.
 Frank Sutton, US Army. Took part in 14 assault landings, including Leyte,
Luzon, Bataan and Corregidor.
 Jackie Coogan, US Army Air Corps. Volunteered for gliders and flew troops
and materials into Burma behind enemy lines.
 Tom Bosley, US Navy.
 Claude Akins, US Army. Signal Corps., Burma and the Philippines.
 Chuck Connors, US Army. Tank-warfare instructor.
 Harry Carey Jr., US Navy.
 Mel Brooks, US Army. Combat Engineer. Saw action in the Battle of the
 Robert Altman, US Army Air Corps. B-24 Co-Pilot.
 Pat Hingle, US Navy. Destroyer USS Marshall
 Fred Gwynne, US Navy. Radioman.
 Karl Malden, US Army Air Corps. 8th Air Force, NCO.
 Earl Holliman. US Navy. Lied about his age to enlist. Discharged after a
year when they Navy found out.
 Rock Hudson, US Navy. Aircraft mechanic, the Philippines.
 Harvey Korman, US Navy.
 Aldo Ray. US Navy. UDT frogman, Okinawa.
 Don Knotts, US Army, Pacific Theater.
 Don Rickles, US Navy aboardUSS Cyrene.
 Harry Dean Stanton, US Navy. Served aboard an LST in the Battle of Okinawa.
 Robert Stack, US Navy. Gunnery Instructor.
 Soupy Sales, US Navy. Served on USS Randall in the South Pacific.
 Lee Van Cleef, US Navy. Served aboard a sub chaser then a mine sweeper.
 Clifton James, US Army, South Pacific. Was awarded the Silver Star, Bronze
Star, and Purple Heart.
 Ted Knight, US Army, Combat Engineers.
 Jack Warden, US Navy, 1 938-1942, then US Army, 1 942-1945. 101st Airborne
 Don Adams. US Marines. Wounded on Guadalcanal, then served as a Drill
 James Gregory, US Navy and US Marines.
 Brian Keith, US Marines. Radioman/Gunner in Dauntless dive-bombers.

 Fess Parker, US Navy and US Marines. Booted from pilot training for being
too tall, joined Marines as a radio operator.

 Charles Durning. US Army. Landed at Normandy on D-Day. Shot multiple times.
Awarded the Silver Star and Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. Survived
Malmedy Massacre.

 Raymond Burr, US Navy. Shot in the stomach on Okinawa and medically

 Hugh O'Brian, US Marines.

 Robert Ryan, US Marines.
 Eddie Albert, US Coast Guard. Bronze Star with Combat V for saving several
Marines under heavy fire as pilot of a landing craft during the invasion of
 Clark Gable, US Army Air Corps. B-17 gunner over Europe.
 Charles Bronson, US Army Air Corps. B-29 gunner, wounded in action.

 Peter Graves, US Army Air Corps.
 Buddy Hackett, US Army anti-aircraft gunner.
 Victor Mature, US Coast Guard.
 Jack Palance, US Army Air Corps. Severely injured bailing out of a burning
B-24 bomber.
 Robert Preston, US Army Air Corps. Intelligence Officer
 Cesar Romero, US Coast Guard. Coast Guard. Participated in the invasions of
Tinian and Saipan on the assault transportUSS Cavalier.
 Norman Fell, US Army Air Corps., Tail Gunner, Pacific Theater.
 Jason Robards, US Navy. was aboard heavy cruiser USS Northampton when it
was sunk off Guadalcanal. Also served on the USS Nashvilleduring the
invasion of the Philippines, surviving a kamikaze hit that caused 223

 Steve Reeves, US Army, Philippines.
 Dennis Weaver, US Navy. Pilot.
 Robert Taylor, US Navy. Instructor Pilot.
 Randolph Scott. Tried to enlist in the Marines but was rejected due to
injuries sustained in US Army, World War 1.
 Ronald Reagan. US Army. Was a 2nd Lt. in the Cavalry Reserves before the
war. His poor eyesight kept him from being sent overseas with his unit when
war came so he transferred to the Army Air Corps Public Relations Unit where
he served for the duration.
 John Wayne. Declared "4F medically unfit" due to pre-existing injuries, he
nonetheless attempted to volunteer three times (Army, Navy and Film Corps.)
so he gets honorable mention.
 And of course we have Audie Murphy, America's most-decorated soldier, who
became a Hollywood star as a result of his US Army service that included his
being awarded the Medal of Honor.
 Would someone please remind me again how many of today's Hollywood elite
put their careers on hold to enlist in Iraq or Afghanistan?
 The only one who even comes close was Pat Tillman, who turned down a
contract offer of $3.6 million over three years from the Arizona Cardinals
to enlist in the US Army after September, 11, 2001 and serve as a Ranger in
Afghanistan, where he died in 2004. But rather than being lauded for his
choice and his decision to put his country before his career, he was mocked
and derided by many of his peers and the Left.
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