[Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?

Stephen A. Frye s.frye at verizon.net
Tue Jul 15 17:08:09 MDT 2014


We have three MD's in the family.  I usually don't ask them anything.  But I
do work with capillary electrophoresis for separations of compounds and DNA
analysis in tissue.  Our DNA work is currently headed in the forensics
direction.

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Behalf Of Steven Laib
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 8:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?

I'm no longer a law student.  Graduated years ago.  Most of mty knowledge of
biology and medicine came from my late uncle who was a medical professor at
the University of Kansas.  

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> On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:50 PM, "Stephen A. Frye" <s.frye at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> You are agreeing with what someone else is claiming, without real 
> data.  If there is conclusive data that homosexuality is DNA related, 
> I don't think it's wide spread.  On the other hand, that it's choice 
> is even less evidenced by data. It is extremely complex.  Recall, too, 
> that well over 90% of our DNA is exact to the apes and other life 
> forms.  Human breeding doesn't change that.  In fact, there simply are 
> many orders of magnitude too few DNA pairs to dictate the trillions 
> and trillions of neural pathways in our brain.  How all of those form 
> is still leaps and bounds beyond our so limited comprehension.
> 
> As for homosexuality, I won't take any bait on that argument.  Period.
> 
> I work with DNA analysis all day, every day.  And my knowledge of it 
> barely scratches the surface.  From what I have read here, I doubt any 
> of us has sufficient knowledge to scientifically debate the issue.  AS 
> I wrote, I can't delve into it, and I work with it every day.  I find 
> myself doubting you have much more knowledge that that as a law student.
> 
> The causes/reasons for homosexuality will likely never be fully 
> determined, and if they are, it won't matter.  Politics will out over 
> science.  It is incumbent on conservatives to believe it is a choice, 
> thus allowing pointing the finger of accusation and condemnation.  It 
> is incumbent on liberals to point to the other extreme in order to 
> point the finger of accusation and condemnation for others' lack of 
> tolerance.  In reality, I doubt either side truly wants to know the 
> answer.  Each is far more comfortable in their present beliefs and 
> likely to disbelieve any data to the contrary - pointing simply to the
politics of any claim (much like what we see and hear today).
> 
> By the way, sickle-cell anemia and trait are not the simple result of 
> the combining of recessive genes, they are the result of mutant genes.
> 
> Keep studying.  It's a fascinating field.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] 
> On Behalf Of Steven Laib
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 5:59 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?
> 
> If I am wrong, please explain why.  Otherwise you look as if you are 
> making a statement out of thin air.
> 
> Of course, you might be referring to a recessive gene that hides 
> between generations, but doesn't show itself unless it is a double 
> positive, as is the case with sickle cell trait vs. sickle cell 
> anemia.  But the people who were touting this theory when I 
> encountered it in San Fran were going with the theory that it only
required a single gene and was a dominant trait.
> 
> So, maybe I do know something about genetics.  
> 
> SDL
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:05 PM, "Stephen A. Frye" <s.frye at verizon.net>
wrote:
>> 
>> You may know a lot about law, but obviously little or nothing about
> genetics.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] 
>> On
> Behalf Of Steven Laib
>> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 2:17 PM
>> To: Rushtalk Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?
>> 
>> You all may recall when the theory was floated that it was genetic. 
>> Of
> course, that makes no sense in that it would have bred out of the 
> population generations ago for failure to reproduce itself, or would 
> be so rare as to be rarely seen.
>> 
>> I'm thinking that there is a likely psychological predisposition 
>> because
> of events of one's youth, bad role models, or such things. 
>> 
>> Then, if one acts on the predisposition addiction may follow.  
>> 
>> As a sidelight on this, my father was an alcoholic.  I drink alcohol 
>> on
> occasion, but always keep myself under control, and make sure that I 
> never drink too much.  If homosexuality is an addiction, it may 
> account for the promiscuity that pervades much of that population.
>> 
>> The dysfunctions that have become so common in today's population my 
>> be
> responsible for the higher number of people predisposed to this addiction.
> 
>> 
>> SDL
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Mon, 7/14/14, John <blueoval57 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?
>> To: "Rushtalk Discussion List" <rushtalk at csdco.com>
>> Date: Monday, July 14, 2014, 4:10 PM
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 05:33 -0700, Tom  Matiska wrote:>> Interesting 
>>> that
> Perry was comparing  his  predisposition toward alcohol to the 
> predisposition many  have
>> toward gay behavior.   I wonder f the light scattering of
>> gasps
>> from the San Fransisco audience were from the few who  actually
> understood what he was saying?  Tom
>> 
>> On Sun Jul 13 14:44:52 CDT 2014, Carl William  Spitzer IV
>> 
>>> Addictions in all
>> forms are curable and for the gay
>>> community this
>> is so
>> much a threat that in California its
>>> illegal to
>> advertise treatments for homosexuality.
>> 
>> Guess
>> what, kiddies......this means they really KNOW that  they  are 
>> committing
> fraud! - jaq  >  > CWSIV>> >> > >  >
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