[Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?

Stephen A. Frye s.frye at verizon.net
Wed Jul 16 18:57:52 MDT 2014


No, John.  I do not know that.  One way or the other.  Never in my life have
I presumed to know the mind of Almighty God.  And until today, I never met a
mortal who did.

 

From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On
Behalf Of John A. Quayle
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At 07:11 PM 7/15/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:



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I told you, I won't take that bait.  I won't have this argument.  Period.


         Because you KNOW deep down that God didn't create homsexual people.




 
From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
<mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> ] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:39 AM
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At 10:50 PM 7/14/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:

You are agreeing with what someone else is claiming, without real data.  If
there is conclusive data that homosexuality is DNA related, I don't think
it's wide spread.  On the other hand, that it's choice is even less
evidenced by data. It is extremely complex.  Recall, too, that well over 90%
of our DNA is exact to the apes and other life forms.  Human breeding
doesn't change that.  In fact, there simply are many orders of magnitude too
few DNA pairs to dictate the trillions and trillions of neural pathways in
our brain.  How all of those form is still leaps and bounds beyond our so
limited comprehension.

As for homosexuality, I won't take any bait on that argument.  Period.

         Stephen, if it's a "naturally occurring thing", then why did God
destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?  -  jaq



I work with DNA analysis all day, every day.  And my knowledge of it barely
scratches the surface.  From what I have read here, I doubt any of us has
sufficient knowledge to scientifically debate the issue.  AS I wrote, I
can't delve into it, and I work with it every day.  I find myself doubting
you have much more knowledge that that as a law student.

The causes/reasons for homosexuality will likely never be fully determined,
and if they are, it won't matter.  Politics will out over science.  It is
incumbent on conservatives to believe it is a choice, thus allowing pointing
the finger of accusation and condemnation.  It is incumbent on liberals to
point to the other extreme in order to point the finger of accusation and
condemnation for others' lack of tolerance.  In reality, I doubt either side
truly wants to know the answer.  Each is far more comfortable in their
present beliefs and likely to disbelieve any data to the contrary - pointing
simply to the politics of any claim (much like what we see and hear today).

By the way, sickle-cell anemia and trait are not the simple result of the
combining of recessive genes, they are the result of mutant genes.

Keep studying.  It's a fascinating field.

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If I am wrong, please explain why.  Otherwise you look as if you are making
a statement out of thin air.  

Of course, you might be referring to a recessive gene that hides between
generations, but doesn't show itself unless it is a double positive, as is
the case with sickle cell trait vs. sickle cell anemia.  But the people who
were touting this theory when I encountered it in San Fran were going with
the theory that it only required a single gene and was a dominant trait.  

So, maybe I do know something about genetics.  

SDL

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> On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:05 PM, "Stephen A. Frye" <s.frye at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> You may know a lot about law, but obviously little or nothing about
genetics.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [  <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Laib
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 2:17 PM
> To: Rushtalk Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?
> 
> You all may recall when the theory was floated that it was genetic. Of
course, that makes no sense in that it would have bred out of the population
generations ago for failure to reproduce itself, or would be so rare as to
be rarely seen.  
> 
> I'm thinking that there is a likely psychological predisposition because
of events of one's youth, bad role models, or such things. 
> 
> Then, if one acts on the predisposition addiction may follow.  
> 
> As a sidelight on this, my father was an alcoholic.  I drink alcohol on
occasion, but always keep myself under control, and make sure that I never
drink too much.  If homosexuality is an addiction, it may account for the
promiscuity that pervades much of that population.  
> 
> The dysfunctions that have become so common in today's population my be
responsible for the higher number of people predisposed to this addiction.

> 
> SDL
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 7/14/14, John <blueoval57 at verizon.net > wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?
> To: "Rushtalk Discussion List" <rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Date: Monday, July 14, 2014, 4:10 PM
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 05:33 -0700, Tom  Matiska wrote:>> Interesting that
Perry was comparing  his  predisposition toward alcohol to the
predisposition many  have 
> toward gay behavior.   I wonder f the light scattering of
> gasps
> from the San Fransisco audience were from the few who  actually
understood what he was saying?  Tom
> 
>  On Sun Jul 13 14:44:52 CDT 2014, Carl William  Spitzer IV  
> 
>> Addictions in all
> forms are curable and for the gay
>> community this
> is so
> much a threat that in California its
>> illegal to
> advertise treatments for homosexuality.
> 
> Guess
> what, kiddies......this means they really KNOW that  they  are committing
fraud! - jaq  >  > CWSIV>> >> > >  >
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