[Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?

John A. Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Wed Jul 16 19:22:21 MDT 2014


At 08:55 PM 7/16/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>You’re foaming at the mouth for an argument.  You won’t get one.
>
>I clearly recall your reactions when others – 
>mostly I - have made assumptions about you.  Do 
>feel the same when it’s you doing the assuming, 
>or are the rules different under those 
>circumstances?  I guess I’m inclined to believe the latter.
>
>Give this a rest, John.  I won’t bite – regardless of the bait.

         Don't need to......you actions speak (loudly) for you!

>
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>At 06:53 PM 7/16/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>John,  don’t draw erroneous conclusions from a 
>complete lack of data.  I told you, I wouldn’t 
>take the bait, and I won’t take this bait.  So 
>don’t dangle any more; I won’t bite, and don’t 
>assume.  You know what that word means.
>
>          You've confirmed my suspicions without 
> a word. Thank you.............
>
>
>
>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 12:07 PM
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>At 07:11 PM 7/15/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>I told you, I won’t take that bait.  I won’t have this argument.  Period.
>
>          Because you KNOW deep down that God didn't create homsexual people.
>
>
>
>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:39 AM
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>At 10:50 PM 7/14/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>You are agreeing with what someone else is 
>claiming, without real data.  If there is 
>conclusive data that homosexuality is DNA 
>related, I don't think it's wide spread.  On the 
>other hand, that it's choice is even less 
>evidenced by data. It is extremely 
>complex.  Recall, too, that well over 90% of our 
>DNA is exact to the apes and other life 
>forms.  Human breeding doesn't change that.  In 
>fact, there simply are many orders of magnitude 
>too few DNA pairs to dictate the trillions and 
>trillions of neural pathways in our brain.  How 
>all of those form is still leaps and bounds 
>beyond our so limited comprehension.
>
>As for homosexuality, I won't take any bait on that argument.  Period.
>
>          Stephen, if it's a "naturally 
> occurring thing", then why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?  -  jaq
>
>
>
>I work with DNA analysis all day, every day.  And my knowledge of it barely
>scratches the surface.  >From what I have read here, I doubt any of us has
>sufficient knowledge to scientifically debate the issue.  AS I wrote, I
>can't delve into it, and I work with it every day.  I find myself doubting
>you have much more knowledge that that as a law student.
>
>The causes/reasons for homosexuality will likely never be fully determined,
>and if they are, it won't matter.  Politics will out over science.  It is
>incumbent on conservatives to believe it is a choice, thus allowing pointing
>the finger of accusation and condemnation.  It is incumbent on liberals to
>point to the other extreme in order to point the finger of accusation and
>condemnation for others' lack of tolerance.  In reality, I doubt either side
>truly wants to know the answer.  Each is far more comfortable in their
>present beliefs and likely to disbelieve any data to the contrary - pointing
>simply to the politics of any claim (much like what we see and hear today).
>
>By the way, sickle-cell anemia and trait are not the simple result of the
>combining of recessive genes, they are the result of mutant genes.
>
>Keep studying.  It's a fascinating field.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: 
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>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On
>Behalf Of Steven Laib
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 5:59 PM
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>If I am wrong, please explain why.  Otherwise you look as if you are making
>a statement out of thin air.
>
>Of course, you might be referring to a recessive gene that hides between
>generations, but doesn't show itself unless it is a double positive, as is
>the case with sickle cell trait vs. sickle cell anemia.  But the people who
>were touting this theory when I encountered it in San Fran were going with
>the theory that it only required a single gene and was a dominant trait.
>
>So, maybe I do know something about genetics.
>
>SDL
>
>Sent from my iPad
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>
> > On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:05 PM, "Stephen A. 
> Frye" <<mailto:s.frye at verizon.net>s.frye at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > You may know a lot about law, but obviously little or nothing about
>genetics.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
> [ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On
>Behalf Of Steven Laib
> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 2:17 PM
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> > You all may recall when the theory was floated that it was genetic. Of
>course, that makes no sense in that it would have bred out of the population
>generations ago for failure to reproduce itself, or would be so rare as to
>be rarely seen.
> >
> > I'm thinking that there is a likely psychological predisposition because
>of events of one's youth, bad role models, or such things.
> >
> > Then, if one acts on the predisposition addiction may follow.
> >
> > As a sidelight on this, my father was an alcoholic.  I drink alcohol on
>occasion, but always keep myself under control, and make sure that I never
>drink too much.  If homosexuality is an addiction, it may account for the
>promiscuity that pervades much of that population.
> >
> > The dysfunctions that have become so common in today's population my be
>responsible for the higher number of people predisposed to this addiction.
>
> >
> > SDL
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 7/14/14, John 
> <<mailto:blueoval57 at verizon.net>blueoval57 at verizon.net > wrote:
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> > Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?
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> > Date: Monday, July 14, 2014, 4:10 PM
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 05:33 -0700, Tom  Matiska wrote:>> Interesting that
>Perry was comparing  his  predisposition toward alcohol to the
>predisposition many  have
> > toward gay behavior.   I wonder f the light scattering of
> > gasps
> > from the San Fransisco audience were from the few who  actually
>understood what he was saying?  Tom
> >
> >  On Sun Jul 13 14:44:52 CDT 2014, Carl William  Spitzer IV
> >
> >> Addictions in all
> > forms are curable and for the gay
> >> community this
> > is so
> > much a threat that in California its
> >> illegal to
> > advertise treatments for homosexuality.
> >
> > Guess
> > what, kiddies......this means they really KNOW that  they  are committing
>fraud! - jaq  >  > CWSIV>> >> > >  >
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