[Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?

John A. Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Sat Jul 19 21:50:15 MDT 2014


At 05:49 PM 7/18/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>You are totally off the deep end.  You have 
>inferred things that simply weren’t there.  Even 
>Dennis has stated it *may* be genetic, but I 
>don’t see you posting a word to him.

         Because I CANNOT see/read his posts. 
They come as attachments that I cannot open.

>But I know why.  My implication is that We are 
>not sure what the causes of homosexuality 
>are.  We believed something until the 
>1970’s.  BFD.  We believed a lot about a lot of 
>things back then.  Maybe we learned some things 
>since then.  Maybe we were right.  Maybe we were 
>not.  In any of those cases, I never posted a 
>single word about my thoughts/feelings about it, 
>as I have claimed so often, but you have inferred a lot.
>
>And yes, I think that Steve’s conclusions about 
>genetics are wrong.  Whether it’s homosexuality 
>or whatever, his claim about being genetic, thus 
>automatically being bred out of the population 
>are not correct.  There are many things that are 
>genetic and are neither bred out nor curable – 
>with today’s technology.  You, on your own, made 
>a quantum leap from my claim about genetics in 
>general to my thoughts on homosexuality.  Well, 
>John, you are wrong.  Plain and simple.  Wrong.
>
>And I never made a single claim whatsoever about 
>God’s thoughts on homosexuality. Once again, 
>those claims about what I am obviously (you’re 
>words) thinking are all yours, totally baseless, and absolutely wrong.
>
>You made it up.  Plain and simple.  All of it.
>
>So until you know what I really think about 
>homosexuality, don’t spread false 
>claims.  Period.  Stop it.  Something about 
>“bearing false witness” comes to mind, my Catholic friend.
>
>From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:26 PM
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>At 07:03 PM 7/17/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>John, you’re off the edge. I have not posted a 
>word about my thoughts on homosexuality. Not 
>one. You have made all of this up in your head.
>
>          Nolt at all.............
>
>
>I haven’t posted in favor of it, I haven’t posted against it.
>
>          You don't need to......either you 
> follow the word of God, or you don't. PERIOD!
>
>
>I haven’t posted a word about God’s approval. 
>Disapproval, anger, whatever. Not one word. 
>Please cite different from this. You can’t. It’s 
>not there. Never was, and likely never will 
>be.  You are creating, starting, and then 
>baiting an argument that simply doesn’t exist. 
>And as a result of my disinterest in engaging 
>you, you are claiming that I think and that I 
>have posted things that I haven’t.  Again, you 
>are making all of this up in your mind.
>
>Specific – where did I deny God is angry? Where 
>did I question one word or passage of Holy Scripture regarding homosexuality?
>
>          May I quote? "The causes/reasons for 
> homosexuality will likely never be fully 
> determined, and if they are, it won't matter. Politics will out over science."
>You are implying that homosexuality is something 
>other than some form of mental incapacitation. 
>It was historically held as such by the AMA 
>until the very early 1970s, when a few 
>aggressive members of the homosexual community 
>decided to turn the topic into a political 
>football, which it remains today - all based on 
>lies. You landed on Steve Laib, questioning his 
>assessment of genetics and DNA. Steve wrote, 
>"You all may recall when the theory was floated 
>that it was genetic. Of course, that makes no 
>sense in that it would have bred out of the 
>population generations ago for failure to 
>reproduce itself, or would be so rare as to be rarely seen."
>
>         Your answer was rather terse, "You may 
> know a lot about law, but obviously little or nothing about genetics."
>
>          This tells me that you think that 
> Steve's conclusions are wholly erroneous and 
> that homosexuality is a naturally occurring 
> condition. There is no possible way that it can 
> be. Only 2 or perhaps 3% of the population is 
> gay and therefore, it would've been bred of 
> existence eons ago, were this to be true. 
> Secondly, there's no possible way God would 
> condemn something that was truly 
> naturally-occurring. Think about it. That would 
> be as ridiculous as God condemning being blonde-haired or red-headed.
>
>
>
>
>Cite.  Now.
>
>         You've changed the argument. Pretty 
> good trick for someone refusing to "take the 
> bait." Case and this argument are closed.
>
>
>
>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:24 PM
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>At 11:14 PM 7/16/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>This is interesting:
>
>I called into question Steven Laib’s assessment 
>of genetics and DNA.  Not specifically in regard 
>to homosexuality or anything else.  Strictly the 
>science of genetics and DNA analysis.  >From 
>that, you have drawn – from that place that the 
>sun doesn’t shine - totally erroneous 
>conclusions about my thinking on the issue of 
>homosexuality.  And then you are using my 
>refusal to argue about it to further 
>substantiate your own completely baseless assumptions.
>
>          I'm going by what's in the Bible, 
> buddy. I don't know where your head's at. You 
> are in some kind of denial I've never run 
> across before. Romans 1:26-32 is checkmate, far 
> as I'm concerned. You denied that God is even 
> angry about this kinda stuff. Why do we even 
> have Scripture, my fellow Catholic?
>
>
>
>I wonder why you would do that.
>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 7:28 PM
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>At 10:22 PM 7/16/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>What actions?  I haven’t taken any actions at all.
>
>          Precisely my point...........
>
>
>
>Your obsessive compulsion to jump to conclusions 
>is outweighed solely by the complete inaccuracy of those conclusions.
>
>I choose not debate this issue.  Without any 
>real knowledge whatsoever about my thoughts on 
>the issue or my reason(s) for not debating, you 
>continue to try to bait the argument by stating 
>derived conclusions that are totally false and 
>then using absolutely baseless reasoning to support them.
>
>The only thing speaking loudly is my refusal to 
>engage you, and I think that is frustrating the hell out of you.
>
>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:22 PM
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>At 08:55 PM 7/16/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>You’re foaming at the mouth for an argument.  You won’t get one.
>
>I clearly recall your reactions when others – 
>mostly I - have made assumptions about you.  Do 
>feel the same when it’s you doing the assuming, 
>or are the rules different under those 
>circumstances?  I guess I’m inclined to believe the latter.
>
>Give this a rest, John.  I won’t bite – regardless of the bait.
>
>          Don't need to......you actions speak (loudly) for you!
>
>
>
>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:20 PM
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>At 06:53 PM 7/16/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>John,  don’t draw erroneous conclusions from a 
>complete lack of data.  I told you, I wouldn’t 
>take the bait, and I won’t take this bait.  So 
>don’t dangle any more; I won’t bite, and don’t 
>assume.  You know what that word means.
>
>          You've confirmed my suspicions without 
> a word. Thank you.............
>
>
>
>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 12:07 PM
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>At 07:11 PM 7/15/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>I told you, I won’t take that bait.  I won’t have this argument.  Period.
>
>          Because you KNOW deep down that God didn't create homsexual people.
>
>
>
>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John A. Quayle
>Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:39 AM
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>At 10:50 PM 7/14/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>
>You are agreeing with what someone else is 
>claiming, without real data.  If there is 
>conclusive data that homosexuality is DNA 
>related, I don't think it's wide spread.  On the 
>other hand, that it's choice is even less 
>evidenced by data. It is extremely 
>complex.  Recall, too, that well over 90% of our 
>DNA is exact to the apes and other life 
>forms.  Human breeding doesn't change that.  In 
>fact, there simply are many orders of magnitude 
>too few DNA pairs to dictate the trillions and 
>trillions of neural pathways in our brain.  How 
>all of those form is still leaps and bounds 
>beyond our so limited comprehension.
>
>As for homosexuality, I won't take any bait on that argument.  Period.
>
>          Stephen, if it's a "naturally 
> occurring thing", then why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?  -  jaq
>
>
>
>I work with DNA analysis all day, every day.  And my knowledge of it barely
>scratches the surface.  >From what I have read here, I doubt any of us has
>sufficient knowledge to scientifically debate the issue.  AS I wrote, I
>can't delve into it, and I work with it every day.  I find myself doubting
>you have much more knowledge that that as a law student.
>
>The causes/reasons for homosexuality will likely never be fully determined,
>and if they are, it won't matter.  Politics will out over science.  It is
>incumbent on conservatives to believe it is a choice, thus allowing pointing
>the finger of accusation and condemnation.  It is incumbent on liberals to
>point to the other extreme in order to point the finger of accusation and
>condemnation for others' lack of tolerance.  In reality, I doubt either side
>truly wants to know the answer.  Each is far more comfortable in their
>present beliefs and likely to disbelieve any data to the contrary - pointing
>simply to the politics of any claim (much like what we see and hear today).
>
>By the way, sickle-cell anemia and trait are not the simple result of the
>combining of recessive genes, they are the result of mutant genes.
>
>Keep studying.  It's a fascinating field.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: 
><mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
>[ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On
>Behalf Of Steven Laib
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 5:59 PM
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>
>If I am wrong, please explain why.  Otherwise you look as if you are making
>a statement out of thin air.
>
>Of course, you might be referring to a recessive gene that hides between
>generations, but doesn't show itself unless it is a double positive, as is
>the case with sickle cell trait vs. sickle cell anemia.  But the people who
>were touting this theory when I encountered it in San Fran were going with
>the theory that it only required a single gene and was a dominant trait.
>
>So, maybe I do know something about genetics.
>
>SDL
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>
> > On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:05 PM, "Stephen A. 
> Frye" <<mailto:s.frye at verizon.net>s.frye at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > You may know a lot about law, but obviously little or nothing about
>genetics.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com 
> [ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On
>Behalf Of Steven Laib
> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 2:17 PM
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> >
> > You all may recall when the theory was floated that it was genetic. Of
>course, that makes no sense in that it would have bred out of the population
>generations ago for failure to reproduce itself, or would be so rare as to
>be rarely seen.
> >
> > I'm thinking that there is a likely psychological predisposition because
>of events of one's youth, bad role models, or such things.
> >
> > Then, if one acts on the predisposition addiction may follow.
> >
> > As a sidelight on this, my father was an alcoholic.  I drink alcohol on
>occasion, but always keep myself under control, and make sure that I never
>drink too much.  If homosexuality is an addiction, it may account for the
>promiscuity that pervades much of that population.
> >
> > The dysfunctions that have become so common in today's population my be
>responsible for the higher number of people predisposed to this addiction.
>
> >
> > SDL
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 7/14/14, John 
> <<mailto:blueoval57 at verizon.net>blueoval57 at verizon.net > wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Is Homosexuality an Addiction Like Alcoholism?
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> > Date: Monday, July 14, 2014, 4:10 PM
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 05:33 -0700, Tom  Matiska wrote:>> Interesting that
>Perry was comparing  his  predisposition toward alcohol to the
>predisposition many  have
> > toward gay behavior.   I wonder f the light scattering of
> > gasps
> > from the San Fransisco audience were from the few who  actually
>understood what he was saying?  Tom
> >
> >  On Sun Jul 13 14:44:52 CDT 2014, Carl William  Spitzer IV
> >
> >> Addictions in all
> > forms are curable and for the gay
> >> community this
> > is so
> > much a threat that in California its
> >> illegal to
> > advertise treatments for homosexuality.
> >
> > Guess
> > what, kiddies......this means they really KNOW that  they  are committing
>fraud! - jaq  >  > CWSIV>> >> > >  >
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