[Rushtalk] No Can Do!

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Thu May 22 18:32:53 MDT 2014


I disagree. Your response was justified to a completely malicious
comment. *I* was offended even if you weren't.

On 5/22/2014 6:29 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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> Don't ban anyone unless it's me.  I over-reacted.  I had received
> really bad news and went off.  My fault, not his.
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> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:58 AM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
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> This is beyond the pale. I have Carl on ignore but this is sufficient
> to warrant banning. Consider this the first and last warning.
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> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Paf Dvorak
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:07 PM
> *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
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> I'm pretty sure your family members died to get away from you.
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> At 05:43 PM 5/20/2014 -0700, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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> There is FAR more data to support the value than there is against it. 
> There are always people who are against everything.  Besides that, I
> don't really care what you think.  I have had immediate family die of
> cancer.  You're fortunate to have not endured that.  Don't slam those
> who have.  My mother suffered through a colostomy and inhuman pain. 
> Your expressed sentiments  are callous, thoughtless, insulting, and
> unsolicited.  And yes, I take it very personally.
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>
> I'm not "slamming" anyone! Fuck you man and thanks for your sympathies
> you cock sucking piece of shit!
> Unsubscribe me from this fucking list you motherfucking douchenozzels!
> No wait I know how.
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> *From:* rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>] *On Behalf Of *Paf Dvorak
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:54 AM
> *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
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> My father died at 72 from atherosclerosis (pneumonia) in '82 and my
> mother died of old age (87) and failure to thrive (pneumonia) on the
> 15th of this month (5 days ago, not at all unexpectedly).
>
> None of our immediate family has/had cancer.
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> Not to even mention how inaccurate and dangerous the procedure
> (colonoscopy) is.
> http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/health/news/article3665199.ece
> http://www.gutsense.org/crc/crc_side_effects.html
> http://www.reportingonhealth.org/2013/10/13/only-accident-fatal-colonoscopy-leaves-family-stunned-and-unpaid
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> http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/3/230.long
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> At 12:22 PM 5/19/2014 -0700, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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> My mom died of colon cancer -- young, and my 49 year-old baby brother
> just got diagnosed with advanced.  He'll see 50 in July, but not 51. 
> My dad died of heart attack in early 60's, and my other baby brother
> died of a stroke.  Never occurred to me I would survive my whole
> family.   I am truly blessed.  I am really healthy.  I know that could
> turn on a dime, but I try (not always successfully) to remember my
> blessings every day.  But it put a scare in me, and the doc agreed to
> do the check.  I can drink almost a half-gallon at once, but it's the
> damned taste right after the last swallow that makes me want to gag.
>  
> Like Dave Barry wrote -- 4 liters is approximately 254 gallons.
>  
> And the job.  Well, it works!  My wife is picking me up in 45 minutes
> to drive to the hospital.
>  
> *From:* rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 11:18 AM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
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> Colonscopy coming up? You have my sympathy. I didn't find it that bad
> tasting when I added the lemon flavoring but drinking so much of it
> over such a short time was the challenge. Not to mention the job it is
> designed to do.
>
> On 5/19/2014 1:53 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
> Anybody know what's in Gavilyte?  Couldn't they make it taste better?
>  
> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:43 AM
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
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> "We" are not rejecting anything out of hand. I am rejecting something
> resulting from preliminary data and analysis. Could my mind be
> changed? Possibly if what I've seen are errors rather than actual
> attempts to "educate." You seem to like to jump to conclusions and
> assume anything new is rejected simply because it is new and comes
> from the left (although the latter is certainly enough to make one
> suspicious based on history not histrionics). Some of us actually
> reject things because they are just plain wrong, new, old or indifferent.
> You have told us what not to do but you still avoid offering a
> solution. So how does not complaining solve the problem? In my
> experience the more we complain, especially to those elected, the more
> likely it is to make progress. You seem to be leaning toward Carl's
> "do not vote" to make things better theory.
> On 5/19/2014 1:29 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
> I think that, first of all, we have to stop rejecting out of hand.  We
> need to realize that what we have now isn't working.  We are lagging. 
> We need to examine plans on their own merit, and we need to come up
> with more.  We need to try to drop our biases for a few seconds and
> determine really why our present system of education is failing.  We
> need to look at other places, countries, continents where it's
> working, and maybe ask why, and what can we do to meet or exceed what
> they're doing.
>  
> It's a start, and it's leaps and bounds ahead of doing the great
> nothing that we are doing now.  We are masters at complaining and
> pointing fingers.  We ALL need to try to set aside our differences for
> a minute or two and look to the good of our young people.  And we
> can't sit back and wait for the other guy to do it first.
>  
> Plan #2:  We can just keep bitching and complaining and finger
> pointing and fall farther and farther behind.  Oh right.  And, most
> importantly,  blame it on the other guy.
>  
> Does anyone realize that this just isn't working?
>  
> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:00 AM
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>  
> We'll have to agree to disagree, particularly with respect to
> definitions. So what is your proposal to fix the system?
> On 5/19/2014 12:46 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
> You are relying on excerpts to draw a broad-brush conclusion.  Not
> logical.  And my guess is -- your mind was made up before you read a
> word.  The idea sprang from a non-Conservative, so, by definition, it
> has to be rejected out of hand.
>  
> And I don't the ideas behind common core are necessarily wrong.  I do
> think they are not perfect.  I don't applaud what is wrong, but I
> certainly applaud an honest effort to improve rather than just sitting
> back criticizing and complaining. That's all we do.  We find fault
> with everything and, as a result, do nothing, and that approach is
> failing our kids and our country.
>  
> We're not really educating kids very well now.  You keep using the
> word "indoctrination".  Do we really want to do anything different? 
> We just want to indoctrinate them with our thinking as opposed to
> liberal thinking.  But it's still indoctrination.
>  
> We have to get past this.  I want to see our kids learn math and
> science.  The tried approach of sitting back and doing nothing or just
> constantly complaining -  simply doesn't work.  The system is failing.
>  
> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 9:24 AM
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>  
> That seems to be the implication. You seemed to be saying that my
> excerpts from the GA DoE are not what is in the books you want me to
> review "cover to cover." Either they are or they are not. If they are
> not then the DoE is lying. If they are then your reply makes no sense.
> I, on the other hand, cannot applaud the "let's do something, even if
> it is wrong" philosophy. Especially when the "something" is being
> driven by politics and the desire to indoctrinate rather then educate.
> On 5/19/2014 12:02 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
> I am not saying anyone is lying.  You constantly go off the deep end. 
> You are so against anything that isn't the traditional way of doing
> things that you seem to refuse to even consider anything else.  We're
> in the 21st century.  Like it or not, things are not the same as they
> were 200 years ago, and they never will be.  Adapt.
>  
> I have gone to countless common core meetings now at the high school. 
> I have heard and seen the presentations.  I disagree with some of it,
> and I agree with some of it.
>  
> What we have is not working.  Plain and simple.  Our European
> counterparts (and Asian for that matter) are leaps and bounds ahead of
> us.  The U.S. is pathetically far behind most of the civilized world
> in math and science and continuing to slip even farther.
>  
> As I wrote:  Common Core is not perfect.  Far from it.  But rather
> than just sitting back on our dead asses complaining -- or maybe
> waiting for the unrealizable perfect answer, at least someone is
> trying to do something to better our students and to better our
> overall position in the world.  I applaud the effort, flawed as it is.
>  
> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 8:17 AM
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>  
> OK, so you are saying GA DoE is lying about the contents. If that is
> the case then I guess we are in bigger trouble than we thought.
> Here's another absurd example that the DoE is lying about:
> The student is shown a picture of 4 containers filled with various
> levels of liquid. The containers are graduated up to 6L.
> Traditional and Common Core solution to part one is the same, label
> the volume of each container:
> 1: 5L
> 2: 3L
> 3: 6L
> 4: 1L
> Part 2 asks, if container 1 is poured into container 3, what is the
> volume in container 3 after the pour?
> Traditional math solution:
> It can't be done
> or
> 6L plus 5L on the floor
> Common Core solution:
> 11L
> Again you complain about pissing and moaning but have not explained
> your plan on how to improve a political driven education system
> without politics.
> So your philosophy is to try something, even if it is wrong? We know
> what works from the results of the 50's and 60's. Why the strong
> resistance to returning to what we know worked? Answer: because
> politics has infested the education system to the point where the
> objective is not education.
> On 5/19/2014 11:01 AM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
> OK.  So you haven't actually seen the book with the unadulterated
> indoctrination.  I am not surprised.
>  
> My proposal, well, maybe we could just keep going the way we are.  We
> can sit back and whine, moan, criticize, point fingers, accuse, call
> names, etc.  That seems to be working really well for most people.
>  
> Or maybe we could try to stop all of that and really establish an
> educational system that might work better than the disaster we have. 
> Maybe we should really look for a good answer instead of slamming
> every effort that gets made simply because it comes from someone with
> different political views.
>  
> Liberals, traditionalists, progressives, conservatives, fribbles,
> frabbles and bedolfers are all equally guilty.  And as long as we
> continue to behave the way we are, we will continue to fall farther
> and farther behind our world counterparts.
>  
> Our sitting back on our laurels and whining and pissing and moaning
> and accusing gets us nowhere.  Actually, it's moving us backwards. 
> Maybe it's time for some new attitudes and actions.  While common core
> is definitely far from perfect, at least somebody is willing to try
> something.
>  
> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 7:35 AM
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>  
> Since the books are not yet available in GA, I have only been able to
> read excerpts provided by GA DoE. However, here is one example I've read:
> Problem:
> 32-12 = ?
> Common Core Solution:
> 32 - 3 = 29
> 32 - 4 = 28
> 32 - 5 = 27
> 32 - 8 = 22
>         20
> You can rail all you want about addressing the issues rather than
> politics but since politics are in control I'd like to hear your
> proposal to address the issues.
> On 5/19/2014 9:28 AM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
> I think it's an excellent comparison.  Our kids are poorly educated. 
> Pure and simple.  The reasons you cite are valid, and there are a
> myriad of others.  Education is the one commodity in the U.S. for
> which we all strive to get the least for our money.
>  
> How many text books have you really looked at.  I mean really read
> from cover to cover?  I have read all of the ones our students use. 
> Every word; every page.  Please, take one of the common core math
> books spec'd by California and point me to a page with unadulterated
> indoctrination.
>  
> What classroom is this taking place in?  Cite the school, the class,
> and the teacher.
>  
> It's easy to point the finger in sweeping generalities, we all do it. 
> But I am challenging you to cite specifics.  Real occurrences.  Not
> "everybody knows" or " it's a known fact".
>  
> I am not sure of the significance of your population question.  In
> reality, the European countries have a far denser population, and they
> are just as diverse as we are.  They have greens, oranges, blacks,
> pinks, whites, purples, geniuses, slow kids, fast kids, middle speed
> kids.  What's the point of your question?  And for an answer, those
> kids come out of the educational systems better educated than our
> kids.  And, as I wrote, there are a myriad of reasons for that.  One
> of them is that they remove all of the political in-fighting and
> finger pointing and name calling, and they set rigid standards for the
> kids, and demand extremely advanced exams like the abitur for
> graduation and admission to universities.
>  
> I don't' care if it's common core or what it is.  We, as a nation,
> need to stop our bickering and start really educating our kids.  AS
> long as we are indeed finger pointing, name calling, politicizing,
> we'll have what we have now, or worse.  And it sure as heck isn't working.
>  
> So we can all sit around and whine about where text books come from,
> and piss and moan that the parents (who are often just as under
> educated) should be picking the curriculum, or we can try to do
> something positive.  I choose the latter.
>  
> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 5:23 AM
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>  
> I'm not sure that is a valid comparison. Which European country is as
> diverse as the US and is trying to educate as many children? Which
> European country has equivalent teacher union power that controls
> education for the express purpose of benefiting it leadership through
> increased membership (forced or other wise) by controlling the federal
> government? You want to remove politics and focus on the issues which
> is a laudable goal. How do you do that when the education system is
> entirely controlled by politics and the local school boards have
> virtually no say in the curriculum?
> Here is how things work. The content of text books are controlled by 2
> states simply because they are the largest consumers, Texas and
> California. Texas has smartly rejected Common Core while California
> has embraced it. Georgia has regrettably accepted Common Core
> (hopefully that will change in the next legislative session but we are
> stuck with it for 1 year at least) therefore, it has no choice but to
> buy the books accepted by CA and they are unadulterated indoctrination
> Common Core crap. So even if Common Core is rejected, GA taxpayers are
> stuck with the CA crap or will have to spend millions to get new books
> while the current ones are only 1 year old.
> On 5/18/2014 3:03 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
> While I still tend to agree on the intrusion issue, Western European
> educational standards are indeed dictated at the fed level, and those
> countries are leaving us in the dust as far as scientific education is
> concerned.
>  
> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Tom Matiska
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:52 AM
> To: Rushtalk Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>  
> Bingo on the intrusion.  Dept of Education did not exist in my time
> nor did its predecessor HEW exist during my parents school years. 
> What to teach and how to teach it was discussed at local school board
> and PTA meetings, not dictated from above. Tom  
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> From: Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net>>
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>  
> As a professional tutor, I can tell you it is crap and my opinion has
> nothing to do with inertia. That being said, the real problem with it
> is more intrusion from the federal government. When the US led the
> world in education was when the local school districts had the most
> control. As an aside, I've also read the history requirements. It is
> pure unadulterated, progressive indoctrination by way of revised history.
> On 5/17/2014 3:55 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
> All of this, yes, and I think a far more comprehensive approach.
>  
> The biggest problem is that it's a change, and people resist change.
>  
> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Paf Dvorak
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:42 AM
> To: Rushtalk Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>  
> I think what Americans don't 'get' is that this common core
> teaching/learning method isn't to be used to cypher EVERY math
> question one runs across, but rather attempts to teach the kids how to
> think...or another way to think.
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> At 06:48 AM 5/17/2014 -0700, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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> I am not so sure it's all bad.  No doubt, it is confusing, but only
> because the approach to teaching/learning is different.  Different
> does not automatically make it bad.
>  
> Here in the U.S>, we teach the various areas of math discreetly: 
> algebra, geometry, trig, etc.  Most of western Europe doesn't do
> that.  They teach mathematical concepts the encompass all of those
> areas and slowly and steadily move to more and more difficult concepts.
>  
> When our new exchange students arrive here in August, most of them
> juniors, they are leaps and bounds ahead of their American peers. 
> Most of them can move straight into AP Calculus, and still encounter
> little new material.
>  
> Our two juniors, one from Germany and one from Denmark, just took the
> Common Core practice tests.  The American kids were all complaining
> they were the hardest tests they had ever taken.  Our students told us
> they were doing that math in the 7th and 8th grades.
>  
> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> [
> mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Bernard L Willis
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 9:31 PM
> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Cc: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>  
> My State (IN.) is dropping it. 
>  
> BW
>  
> On Fri, 16 May 2014 23:13:48 -0400 "John A. Quayle"
> <blueoval57 at verizon.net <mailto:blueoval57 at verizon.net> > writes:
> Common core is becoming a "common nightmare" - even for college
> students. Take a look:
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> http://eaglerising.com/6195/common-core-math-confuses-college-students/
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