[Rushtalk] No Can Do!

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Sun May 25 05:58:27 MDT 2014


One of the most egregious parts of common core, I failed to mention, is
the indoctrination under the guise of science. Check out the false
propaganda presented as facts about man-caused global warming.

On 5/25/2014 1:59 AM, John A. Quayle wrote:
> At 09:31 AM 5/23/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>> I couldn't agree more.  Reality lies in the middle somewhere.  You
>> make my point exactly.
>
>          */No, Stephen. I believe we have a breakdown in
> communication, somewhere here. What _I_ find as "neither suitable nor
> acceptable" is the indoctrination known as "Common Core." Now, I find
> it as detestable and unacceptable as the United Nation's
> "Baccalaureate" program for high schoolers.
>
> /*         */The truth about this purposeful mess is available all
> over the place, if you choose to do some homework. Let's look at a few
> spots:
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> A)
> http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/05/06/outrageous-common-core-question-was-the-holocaust-a-hoax/
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> B)
> http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/08/23/david-barton-offers-the-truth-about-common-core/
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> C)
> http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/05/17/follow-the-money-self-described-liberal-educator-tells-ugly-truth-about-common-core-119681
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> D)
> http://thetruthwins.com/archives/you-wont-believe-the-method-that-common-core-is-using-to-teach-our-kids-subtraction
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> E)
> http://blog.heartland.org/2014/05/thorner-chilling-truth-behind-common-core-state-standards/
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>
>         Now then.........these five sites are merely the tip of the
> iceberg and I could sit here all night, posting more site, stories and
> hideousness about this ludicrous new means of educating our children.
> Dennis is 100% correct. Common core is a horrendous idea and the
> damage it will cause is something American really should do without.
>
> - jaq
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>> *From:* rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>] *On Behalf Of *John A. Quayle
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:42 PM
>> *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List; 'Rushtalk Discussion List'
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>>  
>> At 07:51 AM 5/20/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>> Perfect example of the all or nothing scenario.  It's either perfect,
>> or it's in a panic.  This fits neither of these.
>>
>>          */Neither is it suitable, nor acceptable!
>>
>>
>> /* 
>> *From:* rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> [
>> mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>] *On Behalf Of *John A. Quayle
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 7:24 PM
>> *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List; 'Rushtalk Discussion List'
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>>  
>> At 09:33 PM 5/19/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>> If we wait for perfect, nothing will ever happen. And I truly doubt
>> the country will be less safe if we happen to find a better way to
>> teach math.
>>
>>          */Sorry, but both of your contentions are totally erroneous!
>> Doing _ANYTHING_ in a panic leads to misery. The country's safety has
>> _NOTHING_ to do with math - who knows it, what methods, who's
>> teaching it......whatever. Who controls the levers and switches of
>> power and the economy are of paramount importance to our safety!
>> Math?!? Meh................
>>
>>
>> /* 
>> *From:* rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> [
>> mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>] *On Behalf Of *John A. Quayle
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 2:09 PM
>> *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List; 'Rushtalk Discussion List'
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>>  
>> At 11:01 AM 5/19/2014, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>> OK.  So you haven't actually seen the book with the unadulterated
>> indoctrination.  I am not surprised.
>>  
>> My proposal, well, maybe we could just keep going the way we are.  We
>> can sit back and whine, moan, criticize, point fingers, accuse, call
>> names, etc.  That seems to be working really well for most people.
>>  
>> Or maybe we could try to stop all of that and really establish an
>> educational system that might work better than the disaster we have. 
>> Maybe we should really look for a good answer instead of slamming
>> every effort that gets made simply because it comes from someone with
>> different political views.
>>  
>> Liberals, traditionalists, progressives, conservatives, fribbles,
>> frabbles and bedolfers are all equally guilty.  And as long as we
>> continue to behave the way we are, we will continue to fall farther
>> and farther behind our world counterparts.
>>  
>> Our sitting back on our laurels and whining and pissing and moaning
>> and accusing gets us nowhere.  Actually, it's moving us backwards. 
>> Maybe it's time for some new attitudes and actions.  While common
>> core is definitely far from perfect, at least somebody is willing to
>> try something.
>>
>>          */Stephen, "trying something" is what we get when citizens
>> howl for "safety" from the government and the end result is a loss of
>> our rights under the guise of "doing something."
>>
>> /*         */I'd druther somebody _PERFECT_ a lesson plan _FIRST_
>> before trying to foist gibberish on young skulls full of mush. You
>> may differ and that's your right.
>>
>>
>> John Q.
>>
>>
>> /* 
>> *From:* rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> [
>> mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 7:35 AM
>> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>>  
>> Since the books are not yet available in GA, I have only been able to
>> read excerpts provided by GA DoE. However, here is one example I've read:
>>
>> Problem:
>>
>> 32-12 = ?
>>
>> Common Core Solution:
>>
>> 32 - _3_ = 29
>> 32 - _4_ = 28
>> 32 - _5_ = 27
>> 32 - _8_ = 22
>>         20
>>
>> You can rail all you want about addressing the issues rather than
>> politics but since politics are in control I'd like to hear your
>> proposal to address the issues.
>>
>> On 5/19/2014 9:28 AM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>> I think it's an excellent comparison.  Our kids are poorly educated. 
>> Pure and simple.  The reasons you cite are valid, and there are a
>> myriad of others.  Education is the one commodity in the U.S. for
>> which we all strive to get the least for our money.
>>  
>> How many text books have you really looked at.  I mean really read
>> from cover to cover?  I have read all of the ones our students use. 
>> Every word; every page.  Please, take one of the common core math
>> books spec'd by California and point me to a page with unadulterated
>> indoctrination.
>>  
>> What classroom is this taking place in?  Cite the school, the class,
>> and the teacher.
>>  
>> It's easy to point the finger in sweeping generalities, we all do
>> it.  But I am challenging you to cite specifics.  Real occurrences. 
>> Not "everybody knows" or " it's a known fact".
>>  
>> I am not sure of the significance of your population question.  In
>> reality, the European countries have a far denser population, and
>> they are just as diverse as we are.  They have greens, oranges,
>> blacks, pinks, whites, purples, geniuses, slow kids, fast kids,
>> middle speed kids.  What's the point of your question?  And for an
>> answer, those kids come out of the educational systems better
>> educated than our kids.  And, as I wrote, there are a myriad of
>> reasons for that.  One of them is that they remove all of the
>> political in-fighting and finger pointing and name calling, and they
>> set rigid standards for the kids, and demand extremely advanced exams
>> like the abitur for graduation and admission to universities.
>>  
>> I don't' care if it's common core or what it is.  We, as a nation,
>> need to stop our bickering and start really educating our kids.  AS
>> long as we are indeed finger pointing, name calling, politicizing,
>> we'll have what we have now, or worse.  And it sure as heck isn't
>> working.
>>  
>> So we can all sit around and whine about where text books come from,
>> and piss and moan that the parents (who are often just as under
>> educated) should be picking the curriculum, or we can try to do
>> something positive.  I choose the latter.
>>  
>> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Putnam
>> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 5:23 AM
>> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>>  
>> I'm not sure that is a valid comparison. Which European country is as
>> diverse as the US and is trying to educate as many children? Which
>> European country has equivalent teacher union power that controls
>> education for the express purpose of benefiting it leadership through
>> increased membership (forced or other wise) by controlling the
>> federal government? You want to remove politics and focus on the
>> issues which is a laudable goal. How do you do that when the
>> education system is entirely controlled by politics and the local
>> school boards have virtually no say in the curriculum?
>> Here is how things work. The content of text books are controlled by
>> 2 states simply because they are the largest consumers, Texas and
>> California. Texas has smartly rejected Common Core while California
>> has embraced it. Georgia has regrettably accepted Common Core
>> (hopefully that will change in the next legislative session but we
>> are stuck with it for 1 year at least) therefore, it has no choice
>> but to buy the books accepted by CA and they are unadulterated
>> indoctrination Common Core crap. So even if Common Core is rejected,
>> GA taxpayers are stuck with the CA crap or will have to spend
>> millions to get new books while the current ones are only 1 year old.
>> On 5/18/2014 3:03 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>> While I still tend to agree on the intrusion issue, Western European
>> educational standards are indeed dictated at the fed level, and those
>> countries are leaving us in the dust as far as scientific education
>> is concerned.
>>  
>> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Tom Matiska
>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:52 AM
>> To: Rushtalk Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>>  
>> Bingo on the intrusion.  Dept of Education did not exist in my time
>> nor did its predecessor HEW exist during my parents school years. 
>> What to teach and how to teach it was discussed at local school board
>> and PTA meetings, not dictated from above. Tom  
>>  
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>> From: Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net>>
>> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>>  
>> As a professional tutor, I can tell you it is crap and my opinion has
>> nothing to do with inertia. That being said, the real problem with it
>> is more intrusion from the federal government. When the US led the
>> world in education was when the local school districts had the most
>> control. As an aside, I've also read the history requirements. It is
>> pure unadulterated, progressive indoctrination by way of revised history.
>> On 5/17/2014 3:55 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
>> All of this, yes, and I think a far more comprehensive approach.
>>  
>> The biggest problem is that it's a change, and people resist change.
>>  
>> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>> [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of Paf Dvorak
>> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:42 AM
>> To: Rushtalk Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>>  
>> I think what Americans don't 'get' is that this common core
>> teaching/learning method isn't to be used to cypher EVERY math
>> question one runs across, but rather attempts to teach the kids how
>> to think...or another way to think.
>>
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>> At 06:48 AM 5/17/2014 -0700, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>> I am not so sure it's all bad.  No doubt, it is confusing, but only
>> because the approach to teaching/learning is different.  Different
>> does not automatically make it bad.
>>  
>> Here in the U.S>, we teach the various areas of math discreetly: 
>> algebra, geometry, trig, etc.  Most of western Europe doesn't do
>> that.  They teach mathematical concepts the encompass all of those
>> areas and slowly and steadily move to more and more difficult concepts.
>>  
>> When our new exchange students arrive here in August, most of them
>> juniors, they are leaps and bounds ahead of their American peers. 
>> Most of them can move straight into AP Calculus, and still encounter
>> little new material.
>>  
>> Our two juniors, one from Germany and one from Denmark, just took the
>> Common Core practice tests.  The American kids were all complaining
>> they were the hardest tests they had ever taken.  Our students told
>> us they were doing that math in the 7th and 8th grades.
>>  
>> From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>> [ mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>> <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>] On Behalf Of Bernard L Willis
>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 9:31 PM
>> To: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>> Cc: rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] No Can Do!
>>  
>> My State (IN.) is dropping it. 
>>  
>> BW
>>  
>> On Fri, 16 May 2014 23:13:48 -0400 "John A. Quayle"
>> <blueoval57 at verizon.net <mailto:blueoval57 at verizon.net> > writes:
>> Common core is becoming a "common nightmare" - even for college
>> students. Take a look:
>>         
>> http://eaglerising.com/6195/common-core-math-confuses-college-students/
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