[Rushtalk] U.S. Air Force's most sophisticated stealth jet is beaten in dogfight by plane from 1970s... despite being the most expensive weapon in history

Steven Laib stevenlaib at sbcglobal.net
Sat Aug 1 20:54:08 MDT 2015


Is anyone else here familiar with the Arthur Clark story called "Superiority"?

SDL

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> On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Tom Matiska <tom.matiska at att.net> wrote:
> 
> True Steve, but I also remember my early F4 days when my old Colonels lamented how the AF had shrunk to a few thousand fighters. They saw 10,000+ 1950's vintage fighters  replaced by a few thousand multimillion dollar fighters, then by smaller numbers of fighters costing tens of millions..   Most of the recent F15 and F16 production has been export models.  Our inventory consists of hundreds of decades old models that can't wait for the F35 to mature.   There is no chance we will be able to afford the necessary number of these  new aircraft. The quantity vs quality argument has reached a break point.  Tom
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> On Saturday, August 1, 2015 9:46 PM, Stephen A. Frye <s.frye at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Historically we have always favored the older, familiar jets.  Many favored
> the F-4J over the new F-14.  We do exactly the same thing with cars.  Same
> going on now.
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> Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] U.S. Air Force's most sophisticated stealth jet is
> beaten in dogfight by plane from 1970s... despite being the most expensive
> weapon in history
> 
> My Son told me the same thing.  He flew F-16 for 20 years.
> 
> Bernie
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 15:28:35 -0400 Tom Matiska <tom.matiska at att.net>
> writes:
> > An F16 pilot who flew against one gave me a pretty good opinion of 
> > it.  It is a whole new class of fighter.    Hard to defend the price 
> > tag.  We need to buy a few hundred more of the latest F15s and F16s 
> > before our inventory is reduced to a few dozen new toys and mostly 
> > 30++ year old jets .    Tom
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> > Steven Laib <stevenlaib at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > 
> > >Concentrating on expensive stuff that doesn't work instead of less 
> > 
> > >expensive that does.
> > >Typical government.
> > >
> > >On 7/31/15 12:09 AM, Carl Spitzer wrote:
> > >>      The F-35 stealth jet has already cost the military more 
> > than
> > >> $350billion
> > >>      But in a mock battle it was outperformed by an F-16 
> > designed in the
> > >> 1970s F-35 test pilot said new plane was too cumbersome to dodge 
> > enemy fire
> > >>      He deemed it totally inappropriate for fighting aircraft 
> > within
> > >> visual range
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 
> >
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3144873/U-S-air-force-s-sophistic
> ated-stealth-jet-beaten-dogfight-plane-1970s-despite-expensive-weapon-his
> tory.html
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