[Rushtalk] George Will on Why Ron Paul is Right About Foreign Policy and RINO Mitt Romney is Wrong

Steven Laib stevenlaib at sbcglobal.net
Thu Aug 20 16:53:21 MDT 2015


That's why I didn't take it any further.

SDL

On 8/20/15 5:04 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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> We rationalize a lot with the stretch of “self defense”.  And yes, I 
> choose the word ”stretch” both carefully and deliberately.  I won’t go 
> there.  It’s an argument neither of us can win.  And again, the 
> question manifests the philosophy of all or nothing.  I believe that 
> such a view is an error.
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> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] 
> *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:48 PM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] George Will on Why Ron Paul is Right About 
> Foreign Policy and RINO Mitt Romney is Wrong
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> Convoluted logic at best. You seem to be making a moral equivalency 
> between self defense and acts of murder. Where are we showing 
> willingness to kill other than in self defense?
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> On 8/20/2015 5:20 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>     I agree with the underlying principle of your post.  At the same
>     time, I question our willingness – and even lust – to spend money
>     to take life, but balk at spending to save it or better it.  We’re
>     an odd species.  We fight very hard for our right to kill each other.
>
>     *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>     <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>     [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Laib
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:54 AM
>     *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] George Will on Why Ron Paul is Right
>     About Foreign Policy and RINO Mitt Romney is Wrong
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>     The problem is that if we weren't spending horrendous amounts of
>     money on social welfare then the budget would not be anywhere near
>     as troubled by the military spending.
>     IMO, Military spending is constitutionally mandated.  Social
>     welfare is not and may not even be permitted.
>
>     Just my two cents.
>
>     SDL
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>     On 8/17/15 11:00 PM, Carl Spitzer wrote:
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>         *George Will on Why Ron Paul is Right About Foreign Policy and
>         Mitt Romney is Wrong*
>         /Writes/George Will:
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>         Few things so embitter a nation as squandered valor, hence
>         Americans, with much valor spent there, want Iraq to master
>         its fissures. But with America in the second decade of its
>         longest war, the probable Republican nominee is promising to
>         extend it indefinitely.
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>         Mitt Romney opposes negotiations with the Taliban while they
>         “are killing our soldiers.” Which means: No negotiations until
>         the war ends, when there will be nothing about which to negotiate…
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>         *The U.S. defense budget is about 43% of the world’s total
>         military spending ­ more than the combined defense spending of
>         the next 17 nations*, many of which are U.S. allies. *Are
>         Republicans really going to warn voters that America will be
>         imperiled if the defense budget is cut 8% from projections
>         over the next decade? In 2017, defense spending would still be
>         more than that of the next 10 countries.*
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>         *Do Republicans think it is premature to withdraw up to 7,000
>         troops from Europe two decades after the Soviet Union’s
>         death?*About 73,000 will remain, most of them in prosperous,
>         pacific, largely unarmed and utterly unthreatened Germany. Why
>         do so many remain?
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>         *Since 2001, the United States has waged war in three nations,
>         and some Republicans appear ready to bring the total to five,
>         adding Iran and Syria.*(/The Weekly Standard/, of
>         neoconservative bent, regrets that Obama “is reluctant to
>         intervene to oust Iran’s closest ally, Syrian President Bashar
>         al-Assad.”) *GOP critics say Obama’s proposed defense cuts
>         will limit America’s ability to engage in troop-intensive
>         nation-building. Most Americans probably say: Good…*
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>         Romney says: “It is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear
>         weapon…” (Leon) Panetta says Iran acquiring nuclear weapons is
>         “unacceptable” and “a red line for us” and if “we get
>         intelligence that they are proceeding with developing a
>         nuclear weapon, then we will take whatever steps necessary to
>         stop it.”
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>         *What, then, is the difference between Romney and Obama
>         regarding Iran?*
>
>         *Osama bin Laden and many other “high-value targets” are dead,
>         the drone war is being waged more vigorously than ever, and
>         Guantanamo is still open,*so Republicans can hardly say Obama
>         has implemented dramatic and dangerous discontinuities
>         regarding counterterrorism. Obama says that even with his
>         proposed cuts, the defense budget would increase at about the
>         rate of inflation through the next decade.
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>         *Republicans who think America is being endangered by
>         “appeasement” and military parsimony have worked that pedal on
>         their organ quite enough.*
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