[Rushtalk] George Will on Why Ron Paul is Right About Foreign Policy and RINO Mitt Romney is Wrong

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Sat Aug 22 10:29:45 MDT 2015


This is completely different than how I interpreted your earlier
replies. Being sometimes dense, please provide a recent example where
the US, as a people, put more emphasis on killing than preserving or
bettering life. I'm also not sure what you mean my "more emphasis."

On 8/22/2015 12:20 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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> I tend to agree.  But it also begs the question “Is anticipation
> enough?”  I sometimes think we seek way more than just anticipation.
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> But this is not a discussion I “anticipated”.  I will not argue
> pre-emption or anything that resembles it.  My original point, and I
> believe it strongly, is that we, as a people (maybe even as a
> species), put far more emphasis on killing each other – and “we”
> includes us Americans,  than on preserving – and even bettering – the
> life we claim to value.
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> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Steven Laib
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 22, 2015 7:54 AM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] George Will on Why Ron Paul is Right About
> Foreign Policy and RINO Mitt Romney is Wrong
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> That smacks of the old Chinese observation that Revenge Never Ends.
> But that may well be human nature.  Douglas Adams said that human
> relations can be summed up in Retribution, Anticipation and Diplomacy.
> Still, on has to consider that survival has a price. If your society
> wishes to survive, Anticipation may be the only reasonable course of
> action.
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> SDL
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> On 8/22/15 9:35 AM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>     Sorry, won’t bite.  One example (or even several) does not
>     extrapolate to “it’s always right”, any more than abuse or misuse
>     of a benefit or gift by some extrapolates to “it’s all wrong”. 
>     And I will step out on a limb here – vowing to kill us does not
>     justify killing them in advance.  That would never end.  I simply
>     don’t agree with the all or nothing philosophies.
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>     *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>     <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>     [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
>     *Sent:* Saturday, August 22, 2015 5:38 AM
>     *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] George Will on Why Ron Paul is Right
>     About Foreign Policy and RINO Mitt Romney is Wrong
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>     Hmm. A country that has vowed to kill us all is called a "stretch"
>     when I use the term self-defense. You reinforce my assertion of
>     convoluted logic.
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>     On 8/20/2015 6:04 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>         We rationalize a lot with the stretch of “self defense”.  And
>         yes, I choose the word ”stretch” both carefully and
>         deliberately.  I won’t go there.  It’s an argument neither of
>         us can win.  And again, the question manifests the philosophy
>         of all or nothing.  I believe that such a view is an error.
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>         *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>         <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>         [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Putnam
>         *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:48 PM
>         *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>         *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] George Will on Why Ron Paul is Right
>         About Foreign Policy and RINO Mitt Romney is Wrong
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>         Convoluted logic at best. You seem to be making a moral
>         equivalency between self defense and acts of murder. Where are
>         we showing willingness to kill other than in self defense?
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>         On 8/20/2015 5:20 PM, Stephen A. Frye wrote:
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>             I agree with the underlying principle of your post.  At
>             the same time, I question our willingness – and even lust
>             – to spend money to take life, but balk at spending to
>             save it or better it.  We’re an odd species.  We fight
>             very hard for our right to kill each other.
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>             *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>             <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>             [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Laib
>             *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:54 AM
>             *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>             *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] George Will on Why Ron Paul is
>             Right About Foreign Policy and RINO Mitt Romney is Wrong
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>             The problem is that if we weren't spending horrendous
>             amounts of money on social welfare then the budget would
>             not be anywhere near as troubled by the military spending.
>             IMO, Military spending is constitutionally mandated. 
>             Social welfare is not and may not even be permitted. 
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>             Just my two cents.
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>             SDL
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>             On 8/17/15 11:00 PM, Carl Spitzer wrote:
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>                 *George Will on Why Ron Paul is Right About Foreign
>                 Policy and Mitt Romney is Wrong*
>                 /Writes/George Will:
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>                 Few things so embitter a nation as squandered valor,
>                 hence Americans, with much valor spent there, want
>                 Iraq to master its fissures. But with America in the
>                 second decade of its longest war, the probable
>                 Republican nominee is promising to extend it indefinitely.
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>                 Mitt Romney opposes negotiations with the Taliban
>                 while they “are killing our soldiers.” Which means: No
>                 negotiations until the war ends, when there will be
>                 nothing about which to negotiate…
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>                 *The U.S. defense budget is about 43% of the world’s
>                 total military spending ­ more than the combined
>                 defense spending of the next 17 nations*, many of
>                 which are U.S. allies. *Are Republicans really going
>                 to warn voters that America will be imperiled if the
>                 defense budget is cut 8% from projections over the
>                 next decade? In 2017, defense spending would still be
>                 more than that of the next 10 countries.*
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>                 *Do Republicans think it is premature to withdraw up
>                 to 7,000 troops from Europe two decades after the
>                 Soviet Union’s death?*About 73,000 will remain, most
>                 of them in prosperous, pacific, largely unarmed and
>                 utterly unthreatened Germany. Why do so many remain?
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>                 *Since 2001, the United States has waged war in three
>                 nations, and some Republicans appear ready to bring
>                 the total to five, adding Iran and Syria.*(/The Weekly
>                 Standard/, of neoconservative bent, regrets that Obama
>                 “is reluctant to intervene to oust Iran’s closest
>                 ally, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.”) *GOP critics
>                 say Obama’s proposed defense cuts will limit America’s
>                 ability to engage in troop-intensive nation-building.
>                 Most Americans probably say: Good…*
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>                 Romney says: “It is unacceptable for Iran to have a
>                 nuclear weapon…” (Leon) Panetta says Iran acquiring
>                 nuclear weapons is “unacceptable” and “a red line for
>                 us” and if “we get intelligence that they are
>                 proceeding with developing a nuclear weapon, then we
>                 will take whatever steps necessary to stop it.”
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>                 *What, then, is the difference between Romney and
>                 Obama regarding Iran?*
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>                 *Osama bin Laden and many other “high-value targets”
>                 are dead, the drone war is being waged more vigorously
>                 than ever, and Guantanamo is still open,*so
>                 Republicans can hardly say Obama has implemented
>                 dramatic and dangerous discontinuities regarding
>                 counterterrorism. Obama says that even with his
>                 proposed cuts, the defense budget would increase at
>                 about the rate of inflation through the next decade.
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>                 *Republicans who think America is being endangered by
>                 “appeasement” and military parsimony have worked that
>                 pedal on their organ quite enough.*
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