[Rushtalk] Obama's Iran Deal Will Survive As 34th Senator Announces Support

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Thu Sep 17 09:31:56 MDT 2015


It is not a treaty because it does nothing more than reverse some
executive orders (sanctions, asset seizure, etc.) in exchange for
laughable assurances that they won't continue to pursue nukes.

On 9/17/2015 11:14 AM, Steven Laib wrote:
> Is it an agreement just because someone chooses to characterize it as
> such, or is it because there is precedent that makes it so as a matter
> of law, custom and tradition or other qualification? 
> I'm not sure that it qualifies as an agreement.  The nature of the
> "deal" smacks more of it being a treaty to my thinking. 
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> SDL
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> On 9/16/15 11:35 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>> Its not a treaty, its an "agreement." It legally does not need any
>> approval from congress for that matter.
>>
>> On 9/16/2015 12:12 PM, Tom Matiska wrote:
>>> Will one of our Constitution scholars here explain to me how this "Treaty" went from needing two thirds Senate approval to only the one third required to uphold a veto?   Tom
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>>> Carl Spitzer <lynux at keepandbeararms.com> wrote:
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>>>> Obama's Iran Deal Will Survive As 34th Senator Announces Support
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>>>> Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) gives the president the votes he needs to
>>>> beat back legislation to kill the deal.
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>>>> Posted: 09/02/2015 10:12 AM EDT | Edited: 20 minutes ago
>>>> WASHINGTON -- A nuclear deal between Iran and six world powers that
>>>> promises to fundamentally alter the geopolitical landscape of the Middle
>>>> East and beyond will not die in the U.S. Congress. 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) announced that she would
>>>> support the agreement, becoming the 34th member of the Senate to do so.
>>>> In offering her backing, Mikulski, who is retiring in 2016, assured that
>>>> President Barack Obama will dodge a Republican-led effort to kill the
>>>> deal. Although a resolution of disapproval may still pass the chamber,
>>>> the White House now has the necessary support to sustain a presidential
>>>> veto of said resolution. 
>>>>
>>>> “No deal is perfect, especially one negotiated with the Iranian regime.
>>>> I have concluded that this Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action is the
>>>> best option available to block Iran from having a nuclear bomb," said
>>>> the Senator in a statement. "For these reasons, I will vote in favor of
>>>> this deal. However, Congress must also reaffirm our commitment to the
>>>> safety and security of Israel.”
>>>>
>>>> <span class='image-component__caption' itemprop=caption>Sen. Barbara
>>>> Mikulski, the Senate's longest-serving female member and a prominent
>>>> Israel supporter, backs the Iran nuclear deal. </span> Credit:
>>>> ASSOCIATED PRESS Sen. Barbara Mikulski, the Senate's longest-serving
>>>> female member and a prominent Israel supporter, backs the Iran nuclear
>>>> deal.  
>>>> With the deal now seemingly safe from congressional torpedoing, Obama
>>>> has both notched one of the most significant nuclear non-proliferation
>>>> agreements in history and cemented a foreign policy legacy of robust
>>>> diplomatic engagement. Whether that legacy turns out sterling or sour
>>>> will be determined well beyond the end date of his presidency.
>>>>
>>>> Under the deal, Iran would be subjected to comprehensive inspections on
>>>> its nuclear program and forced to reduce current uranium stockpiles and
>>>> the number of its centrifuges. In exchange, it will be granted sanctions
>>>> relief estimated to be anywhere between $50 billion and $150 billion.
>>>> But the deal phases out between years 10 and 15, albeit with Iran still
>>>> forced to provide some access for inspections for another 10 years
>>>> thereafter. And even for supporters of the initiative, concerns remain
>>>> about the possibilities of a quick military breakout once restrictions
>>>> ease.  
>>>>
>>>> "That's the core concern," Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) said in an
>>>> interview with The Washington Post when announcing his support for the
>>>> deal Tuesday. "All they've got to do is be really patient."
>>>>
>>>> Faced with this pushback, the administration has implored lawmakers to
>>>> consider the alternative, in which no restrictions are placed on Iran
>>>> and the world community is unwilling to rework the accord. A briefing
>>>> between ambassadors and officials from the other countries party to the
>>>> deal -- in which they articulated their reluctance to head back to the
>>>> negotiating table -- was highly persuasive to several Democratic
>>>> senators.
>>>>
>>>> While the passage of the deal is now secure, its long-term viability is
>>>> not. Nearly all of the Republican presidential candidates have pledged
>>>> to end the deal should they win the office. And though that seems to be
>>>> more of a campaign applause line than thought-out foreign policy, the
>>>> politics of the accord are difficult to predict or interpret. Public
>>>> opinion polls in July alone showed support varying from 33 percent to 56
>>>> percent. Opponents have been better funded, running millions of dollars
>>>> in television ads during the August recess to convince Democrats to jump
>>>> ship. But that campaign has had, seemingly, only a marginal effect.
>>>>
>>>> So far just two Senate Democrats have announced their opposition. And
>>>> both Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) were seen as
>>>> skeptics of the deal from the outset. That said, Democrats could find
>>>> themselves in an odd proposition in which the vast majority of the party
>>>> supports the deal except their incoming Senate leader (Schumer) their
>>>> likely next House leader (Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland remains
>>>> undecided) and the chair of the Democratic National Committee (Rep.
>>>> Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida is undecided too).
>>>>
>>>> That could explain the timing of Mikulski's announcement. The Maryland
>>>> Democrat is a strong symbolic choice to bring the vote tally for the
>>>> agreement to the critical 34. She is the chamber's longest-serving
>>>> female member and a prominent Israel supporter -- the American Israel
>>>> Public Affairs Committee, which has lobbied heavily against the deal,
>>>> called her "a stalwart supporter of the U.S.-Israel relationship." And
>>>> her backing could foreshadow forthcoming support from another critical
>>>> member: Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.), a fellow Marylander who is the ranking
>>>> member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, at this juncture, Democratic leadership is gunning to get to 40
>>>> supportive members, which would prevent a resolution of disapproval from
>>>> even making it to Obama's desk, should they choose to filibuster it.
>>>>
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