[Rushtalk] the Guardian.com claims: Trump backs same-sex marriage but not abortion under supreme court threat

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Sat Dec 3 17:49:08 MST 2016


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President-elect Donald Trump sent conflicting messages about his hopes
for the supreme court on Sunday, saying he will appoint justices who
will send abortion rights “back to the states”, but not those who seek
to repeal marriage equality “because it was already settled”.

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Trump made the comments in his first broadcast interview as
president-elect, with CBS’s 60 Minutes, which aired on Sunday evening. 

Trump also suggested he might retain parts of Barack Obama’s healthcare
reforms, and said that he intends to deport as many as 3 million
undocumented migrants with criminal records.

The supreme court has had eight members since the death of conservative
justice Antonin Scalia in February. Senate Republicans have refused to
even consider Obama’s nominee for the seat, Merrick Garland. 

The vacant seat became a central campaign issue for conservatives, and
CBS host Lesley Stahl asked Trump whether he would appoint a supreme
court justice who wanted to overturn Roe v Wade, the 1973 case that
upheld the right to abortion.

“So look,” Trump said. “Here’s what’s going to happen. I’m going to –
I’m pro-life. The judges will be pro-life.”

Pressed, he said: “Having to do with abortion – if it ever were
overturned, it would go back to the states. So it would go back to the
states.” That did not mean women would not be able to get an abortion,
Trump said, but “they’ll perhaps have to go, they’ll have to go to
another state”.

“Well, we’ll see what happens,” he added. “It’s got a long way to go,
just so you understand. That has a long, long way to go.”

In March, Trump suggested that women should face “some form of
punishment” for having abortions, before reversing and saying states and
Congress should lead lawmaking.

Asked by Stahl whether he supported marriage equality, which was made
law by the supreme court in Obergefell v Hodges in 2015, Trump suggested
the case did not concern him to the degree of Roe v Wade.

“It’s irrelevant,” he said, “Because it was already settled. It’s law.
It was settled in the supreme court. I mean it’s done.”

Trump’s vice-presidential pick, Indiana governor Mike Pence, has opposed
same-sex marriage throughout his career, and supported so-called
“conversion therapy” programs that purport to change people’s sexual

Pence also signed a religious freedom law that sought to allow people to
refuse service to same-sex couples because of religious convictions. 

Trump, however, said he considered the matter resolved. “These cases
have gone to the supreme court,” he said. “They’ve been settled. I’m
fine with that.”

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He was adamant, on the other hand, about gun rights, saying he wanted to
stack the supreme court with justices that would defend those rights.
“Everybody’s talking about the second amendment and they’re trying to
dice it up and change it, they’re going to be very pro-second
amendment,” Trump said.

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Gun advocates last won a major battle in the supreme court in the 2008
case District of Columbia v Heller, which ended with a 5-4 ruling
written by Scalia that broadly affirmed the personal right to firearms
and overturned a handgun-possession ban in Washington DC.

Trump discussed a number of another issues in the CBS interview,
including the brutal nature of the election campaign. 

“Sometimes you have to be rougher,” he said, discussing his behaviour
and choice of words in clashes with opponent Hillary Clinton and
exchanges with Barack Obama, whom he met at the White House on Thursday,
and wish for conciliation now.

Asked if he was still planning to appoint a special prosecutor to look
into Clinton’s use of a private email server, a threat to which he added
possible jail time when he made it in the second debate last month, he
said he would “think about it”.

The president-elect wanted, he said, to “focus on all of these other
things that we’ve been talking about”.


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