[Rushtalk] Study Concludes Alcohol is More Harmful to Mental Health Than Psychedelics

John Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Tue Dec 13 20:36:30 MST 2016


On 12/13/2016 10:25 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
> Moderation in everything – including moderation.
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> *On Behalf Of *Steven Laib
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 6:58 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Study Concludes Alcohol is More Harmful to 
> Mental Health Than Psychedelics
> Being a glass of wine with dinner guy, I have the blessing of my 
> doctor.  He touts the heart benefits and sees no liver issues in that 
> amount.
> I guess it is that old Greek maxim about moderation again..
> Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 13, 2016, at 4:26 PM, John Quayle <blueoval57 at verizon.net 
> <mailto:blueoval57 at verizon.net>> wrote:
>     /*Just had a former adult baseball teammate die from cirrhosis at
>     age 49. He was bloated to the point that he was unrecognizable.
>     Sad...........*/
>     On 12/13/2016 12:10 PM, Carl Spitzer wrote:
>           Study Concludes Alcohol is More Harmful to Mental Health
>           Than Psychedelics
>           <http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/11/29/study-concludes-alcohol-is-more-harmful-to-mental-health-than-psychedelics/>
>         Alexa Erickson
>         <http://www.collective-evolution.com/author/alexaerickson/>
>         November 29, 2016
>         Around the world, alcohol is often seen as an acceptable
>         beverage in moderation, and even accepted in excess. And while
>         it’s a drug, it’s typically not referred to as such, since
>         “drugs” seem to fall into a taboo category that have caused
>         many of them to be outlawed altogether. But why do we put
>         alcohol on a pedestal and others, like psychedelics, in such a
>         dark place?
>         A 2014 /Vice/ article titled /Why Are Psychedelics Illegal?
>         <http://www.vice.com/read/why-are-psychedelics-illegal-368>/by
>         Tao Lin put this interesting dichotomy into perspective by
>         pointing out why psychedelics are illegal:
>             “Terence McKenna viewed cannabis, psilocybin, DMT, LSD,
>             and other psychedelics as ‘catalysts of intellectual
>             dissent.’ He wrote in The Archaic Revival (1991) that his
>             assumption about psychedelics had always been that they
>             were illegal ‘not because it troubles anyone that you have
>             visions’ but because ‘there is something about them that
>             casts doubts on the validity of reality.’ This makes it
>             difficult, McKenna observed, for societies—even democratic
>             and especially ‘dominator’ societies—to accept them, and
>             we happen to live in a global ‘dominator’ society.”
>         And another article, /NY Mag/ called /The Truth About
>         Psychedelic Drugs and Mental Illness
>         <http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/03/truth-about-psychedelics-and-mental-illness.html>/by
>         Jesse Singal said:
>             “Psychedelic drugs are confusing, and it’s easy to get
>             very different views about them depending on whom you ask.
>             On the one hand, enthusiasts — not to mention a small body
>             of scientific research — have long claimed that, when
>             taken responsibly and with the proper supervision,
>             so-called classical psychedelics like LSD and psilocybin
>             (the active ingredient in magic mushrooms) are a safe way
>             to smooth the path toward tranquility and spiritual
>             enlightenment. On the other hand, ever since the cultural
>             spasms of the 1960s and a subsequent government crackdown
>             on these substances, the archetype of the hallucinogen
>             burnout has loomed large in the public imagination; that
>             is, people who try LSD or ‘shrooms’ — sometimes even just
>             once! — are forever ruined by flashbacks and other
>             symptoms that eventually drive them to a state of
>             full-blown psychosis.”
>         To put it simply, one could argue that alcohol has less horror
>         stories that have made their way into public history than that
>         of psychedelics, which has created fear and a generalized
>         taboo that keeps many governments from taking into
>         consideration scientific research that would suggest
>         otherwise. And though alcohol is, without question, many
>         countries’ biggest and most deadly recreational drugs, it’s
>         the most legal, and the most addictive. But too many people
>         drink and the alcohol industry is far too powerful for this
>         drug to ever be considered as dangerous as psychedelics.
>         For a while now, researchers have worked to debunk the theory
>         that psychedelics are harmful when used correctly, and have
>         actually found through their experiments that such drugs can
>         even treat anxiety and depression
>         <http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/09/trip-treatment>,
>         as opposed to provoking such mental illnesses. Now, a study by
>         the Research Council of Norway has discovered that
>         psychedelics don’t cause mental health problems or suicidal
>         behaviour at all. The researchers looked at about 130,000
>         adult citizens in the United States
>         <http://www.emmasofia.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Psychedelics-not-linked-to-mental-health-problems-or-suicidal-behavior.pdf?115a76>
>         and found no “evidence that psychedelic use is an independent
>         risk factor for mental health problems.”  Furthermore, 19,299
>         of the randomly selected people had used either lysergic acid
>         diethylamide (LSD), psilocybin or mescalin, but no links were
>         revealed that /“/increased likelihood of past year serious
>         psychological distress, mental health treatment, suicidal
>         thoughts, suicidal plans and suicide attempt, depression and
>         anxiety.”
>         The findings triggered the concluding statement that “it is
>         difficult to see how prohibition of psychedelics can be
>         justified as a public health measure.”
>         Meanwhile, there is a direct link between alcohol abuse and
>         suicide, with the U.S. National Library of Medicine stating
>         <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20617037>: /“/Alcohol
>         abuse may lead to suicidality through disinhibition,
>         impulsiveness and impaired judgment, but it may also be used
>         as a means to ease the distress associated with committing an
>         act of suicide.”
>         So if classical psychedelics are in fact safe, why do we
>         continue to live in fear? Why are they still illegal despite
>         such scientific findings? And how is it possible that alcohol
>         can be legal but drugs that can improve quality of life are
>         not? Media coverage may have a lot to do with it, as they hype
>         up certain fears, most specifically, fears that are culturally
>         resonant.
>         But there are also big differences between alcohol and
>         psychedelics that people hold on to. “Psychedelics are
>         psychologically intense, and many people will blame anything
>         that happens for the rest of their lives on a psychedelic
>         experience,” explained clinical psychologist Teri Suzanne
>         <http://www.nature.com/news/no-link-found-between-psychedelics-and-psychosis-1.16968>.
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