[Rushtalk] Terror Watch List and RKBA

Tom Matiska tom.matiska at att.net
Tue Jun 28 13:54:48 MDT 2016


True,  but tie the lists to freedom's they approve of and some of them will understand the govt's use of lists needs to be controlled better.  Tom
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Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net> wrote:

>You're trying to use logic which has no place in the fight against
>liberals. This is about getting behind those that opposed this stupid
>movement to stop it. There are some RHINOs that think this is a good
>idea. We need to make those that support it, regardless of party, to
>fear the voters in November.
>
>On 6/28/2016 1:39 PM, Tom Matiska wrote:
>> Best weapon against the control freaks is their own logic.
>>
>> The link between the do not fly list and NICS check should work both
>> ways.  If we can't trust people with a gun why trust them to board an
>> airplane at all?  The underwear and shoe bombers didn't use guns.
>>
>> Or why not a no drive list? The first Trade Center and OKC attacks
>> were done with rental vans. 
>>
>> How about a do not teach list that bans those on the lists from school
>> district employment?  If this is about keeping our children safe why
>> allow monsters on these lists anywhere near our schools?
>>
>> We should offer the list freaks everything they want and more, until
>> even they don't want it.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:58 AM, John <blueoval57 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue Jun 28 07:59:02 CDT 2016, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>
>> > In case you haven't been paying attention there is a strong
>> movement, based on emotion after the Orlando attack, to add those on
>> the terror watch list (aka no-fly list) to the National Instant Check
>> Systems (NICS) database. This is the background check system that
>> prevents prohibited persons from purchasing firearms. Unfortunately
>> there is a lot of ignorance surrounding this issue due to
>> misinformation and lies of omission.
>>
>> /*You can bet the rent that these omissions are purposeful!*/
>>
>> >While it sounds like a good idea there is a serious problem with the
>> terror watch list itself. That is anyone can be placed on the list,
>> intentionally or inadvertently, for any reason by a bureaucrat. In
>> addition, this is a secret list so there is no way to know who is on
>> it or why. The final insult is that once someone discovers they are on
>> the list (like when they are prevented from buying a firearm), there
>> is no due process provision to get off it.
>>
>> /*How in the world does this pass constitutional muster?*/
>>
>> > As you may or may not know, there have even been members of congress
>> put on this list and with all their power it still took many months to
>> be removed.
>>
>> /*Yet, noone has come forth to change any of this, have they? */
>>
>> > This is an extremely dangerous precedent and will provide a means
>> for any administration to effectively destroy the 2nd amendment. Its
>> not bad enough that we have to worry about Hillery appointing
>> anti-rights justices if elected but this would be even more onerous.
>>
>> > As you know the NRA is the most effective organization for
>> protecting the 2nd amendment and the NRA-ILA is mounting a campaign to
>> prevent this effort by anti-rights organizations and that takes money.
>> I don't like soliciting on this forum this but this issue is of
>> critical importance so I am asking anyone that cares and has the
>> means, even if you are not an NRA member, to contribute to this cause.
>>
>> /*I'm a lifer.............*/
>> >>
>> https://www.nrailadonate.org/forms/default.asp?campaignid=fightback>>
>> P.S. Am I the only one that sees the irony of Rep. John Lewis (D-GA)
>> recent "sit-in" in the house last week? Lewis staged sit-ins in the
>> 60's to expand civil rights and last week staged a sit-in to strip
>> civil rights.
>>
>> */Lewis was one of 24 sitters-in who also carry firearms. Oh, the
>> hypocrisy!  -  jaq/*
>>
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