[Rushtalk] the Guardian on Trump vs Military

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Wed Mar 2 11:24:34 MST 2016

Modern Dems and Hillary in particular have never been afraid to lie to
achieve their objectives. This is no exception.

On 3/2/2016 11:44 AM, Tom Matiska wrote:
> Anybody remember Hildabeast using uniformed Navy Officers to hand out
> hors d'oeuves at White House functions?  Dems shouldn't throw this
> stone at Trump.      Tom
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 10:51 AM, Carl Spitzer
> <lynux at keepandbeararms.com> wrote:
>   *Donald Trump's disrespect for the military is appalling – and
>   unprecedented*
> Scott Beauchamp <http://www.theguardian.com/profile/scott-beauchamp>
> So far, Trump has only insulted, abused and patronized service members
> and veterans on the trail. That’s no way to win our support
> No, Donald Trump, attending a behavior modification military academy
> doesn’t make you a combat veteran. Photograph: Richard Ellis/Getty
> Images Monday 29 February 2016 17.39 GMT Last modified on Monday 29
> February 2016 17.50 GMT
> Donald Trump has disparaged many a group – most recently, he refused
> <http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/28/donald-trump-former-kkk-leader-david-duke>
> to flat-out denounce white supremacy – but his transgressions against
> the military have been less remarked upon.
> The disrespect that the Republican frontrunner for the presidential
> nomination has consistently shown towards veterans and service members
> is unprecedented, especially for a member of the party that, at least
> nominally, prides itself on being more supportive of the troops.
> On Friday, on HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher, former head of the CIA
> and NSA Michael Hayden said
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/28/former-cia-director-military-may-refuse-to-follow-trumps-orders-if-he-becomes-president/>
> that the American armed forces would “refuse to act” if a President
> Trump actually gave some of the orders that he’s been proposing on the
> campaign trail. Troops are required to refuse unlawful orders (as
> would be Trump’s proposed targeting of terrorists’ family members),
> but the statement reveals a deep antipathy that the defense
> establishment harbors for Trump. It’s an antipathy that I share as a
> former US army infantry soldier.
> Trump’s disrespect of veterans began long before the current election
> cycle. On the Howard Stern show back in 1997, sandwiched in between a
> bunch of embarrassing comments about women, Trump compared
> <http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-isnt-into-anal-melania-never-poops-and-other-things-he?utm_term=.knK3r7a7jm#.evEdOeyeNR>
> his sex life in the 1980s to a war experience.
> “I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world. It is a dangerous
> world out there – it’s scary, like Vietnam. Sort of like the Vietnam
> era. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave
> soldier,” Trump bloviated. And while it’s true that being crass and
> disgusting is the entire point of the Howard Stern show, for someone
> who wants to be commander-in-chief of the armed forces to indulge
> himself by denigrating the war experiences of veterans is beyond the
> pale.
>   *A bruising day on Planet Trump *
> Read more Trump has no way to know if dating has anything in common
> with combat, because he was a draft dodger. As Tim Mak wrote
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/16/draft-dodger-trump-said-sleeping-around-was-my-personal-vietnam.html>
> in the Daily Beast: “When Trump had the chance to join the military
> and fight in Vietnam, he did not take it. Instead, the rich kid got
> multiple student deferments from the draft and a medical deferment.”
> Trump continued to inappropriately compare his civilian experiences to
> military ones since the Howard Stern appearance. Last year Trump told
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/09/us/politics/donald-trump-likens-his-schooling-to-military-service-in-book.html?_r=0>
> a biographer that he “always felt like I had been in the military”
> because of his time at the New York Military Academy, an expensive
> military-themed boarding school where Trump’s parents sent him because
> of behavioral problems.
> Advertisement That might be a uniquely idiotic statement from someone
> running for president, but it’s an attitude that, as a veteran, I’ve
> seen before. There’s always a guy at the bar sloppily explaining to
> you how he was in Junior Officer Training Corps during high school so,
> you know, he gets it. That guy should never run for office either.
> A telltale sign that Trump does not actually know what it feels like
> to be in the military is his denigration of POWs. Last July at the
> Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, Trump said of Arizona senator
> and former Vietnam POW John McCain: “He’s not a war hero. He’s not a
> war hero because he was captured. I don’t like people who were
> captured.” Who would want to go to war for a President Trump knowing
> that if you were captured in the heat of battle your
> commander-in-chief wouldn’t “like” you?
> When Trump does gesture at supporting the troops, it rings hollow. He
> offers
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/06/nh-vets-pass-on-being-trump-s-paid-props.html>
> six figures to buy veterans groups as props to use during campaign
> rallies, as if risking life and limb for your country can be
> monetized. And his ads that are meant to show respect to veterans
> probably shouldn’t feature images of Soviet
> <http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/donald-trump-russian-veterans-ad-218132>
> and Nazi
> <http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/14/donald-trump-nazi-soldiers-tweet-top-republican-polls>
> soldiers rather than American troops. To lift one of Trump’s own
> favorite words: it’s pathetic.
> Hayden was quick to point out on Friday that the armed forces wouldn’t
> foment a rebellion against Trump; they’d just refuse to obey unlawful
> orders. Nevertheless, it was a big statement that took even the
> usually nonplussed Bill Maher by surprise.
> It shouldn’t have. For all his talk about leadership, something that
> Trump fails to understand is that real leadership is predicated upon
> respecting the people that you want to follow you. So far, Trump has
> only insulted, abused and patronized service members and veterans.
> It’s shocking that these kinds of tactics have gotten him this close
> to the White House, but it will never earn him the respect of the
> armed forces.
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