[Rushtalk] Laughable............

Tom Matiska tom.matiska at att.net
Sun Jul 23 08:15:34 MDT 2017


I'm guessing nobody here was an Electrical Engineering major with an emphasis in radar and antenna theory.   Back when $400 HP calculators only did simple math, EE students armed with pencil and paper used Fourier and Laplace transforms to calculate half power beam widths of antenna arrays  ...... we jokingly called the Engineering Dept the "Business Dept" because it converted most freshmen EE majors  into Business majors.   Tom 

    On Saturday, July 22, 2017 11:43 PM, Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com> wrote:
 

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Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:42 AM
To: rushtalk at csdco.com
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Laughable............                        I failed the course three times at $1,800 a pop, Dennis. Each time I did worse than the time before.    On 7/22/2017 11:34 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: 
Nonsense. Calculus is simple and fun. Like playing puzzle games. The caveat is that you must have a good background in algebra.

On 7/22/2017 11:24 AM, John Quayle wrote: 
                    Calculus is legalized brutality.......it's the sole reason I don't have an MBA today!    On 7/22/2017 10:12 AM, Steven Laib wrote: 
Actually algebra is "white math" so everyone else should not have to learn it. It is racist, just like trigonometry and calculus. 

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On Jul 22, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com> wrote: 
Interesting, John.  When I mentioned that so many parents couldn’t do simple algebra, your answer was that you checked with your engineers and they said why should they, we have calculators?   Personally, I think that Algebra I, Geometry I, and Trigonometry I or Trig/pre-calc should be mandatory for graduation from high school.  (Personally, I would like to substitute Algebra II in place of Geometry, but that’s just me.)  But in order to be successful in those classes, students need the foundations from Primary and Middle schools.  But none of this is simple.  We don’t want the Federal Government involved, we want it at state level.  The problem with state level is that we quickly reach the point where a high school diploma from one state isn’t comparable to one from another.  I am not sure that is good either.  I particularly like the Abitur path in Western Europe.  But there the students and parents are interested in education.  In the U.S., education is the number one commodity for which people strive to get the least for their money.  Before anything will work, we need to fix that.  And I don’t know how to change attitudes.  Our kids simply don’t give a shit.   From:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com]On Behalf Of John Quayle
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:37 PM
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Subject: [Rushtalk] Laughable............   
No, Algebra Isn't a 'Civil Rights Issue,' and Kids Aren't That Stupid
  In the latest move to dumb down society to the point where our brains no longer function at all, one community college chancellor is now suggesting high schools and colleges nix algebra classes because they’re too hard.  

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