[Rushtalk] Laughable............

Dennis Putnam dap1 at bellsouth.net
Sun Jul 23 16:45:14 MDT 2017


Your guess is wrong. I am an EE and worked on the radar used in the F4
Phantoms in Nam. It was where I started using computers for rudimentary
calculations and became more interested in them. I then transitioned
into IT over the years as a career.

On 7/23/2017 10:15 AM, Tom Matiska wrote:
> I'm guessing nobody here was an Electrical Engineering major with an
> emphasis in radar and antenna theory.   Back when $400 HP calculators
> only did simple math, EE students armed with pencil and paper used
> Fourier and Laplace transforms to calculate half power beam widths of
> antenna arrays  ...... we jokingly called the Engineering Dept the
> "Business Dept" because it converted most freshmen EE majors  into
> Business majors.   Tom
>
>
> On Saturday, July 22, 2017 11:43 PM, Stephen Frye
> <stephen.frye at outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> John, I found – and it is NOT an excuse – that I did well when the
> course was interesting.  Otherwise I did poorly.  The problem with
> that is that I didn’t realize that until very late.  I had incredible
> math teachers up until I took Integral Calculus.  That guy was
> brilliant, but as boring as watching paint dry.  I struggled every
> second.  After that, I was gun shy, but did much better when I had
> teachers that were again interesting.  For many students, that didn’t
> matter in the least.
>  
> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com]
> *On Behalf Of *John Quayle
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:42 AM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Laughable............
>  
>                     */I failed the course three times at $1,800 a pop,
> Dennis. Each time I did worse than the time before. /*
>  
> On 7/22/2017 11:34 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
>     Nonsense. Calculus is simple and fun. Like playing puzzle games.
>     The caveat is that you must have a good background in algebra.
>
>     On 7/22/2017 11:24 AM, John Quayle wrote:
>
>                             */Calculus is legalized
>         brutality.......it's the sole reason I don't have an MBA today!/*
>          
>         On 7/22/2017 10:12 AM, Steven Laib wrote:
>
>             Actually algebra is "white math" so everyone else should
>             not have to learn it. It is racist, just like trigonometry
>             and calculus. 
>
>             Sent from my iPhone
>
>             On Jul 22, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Stephen Frye
>             <stephen.frye at outlook.com
>             <mailto:stephen.frye at outlook.com>> wrote:
>
>                 Interesting, John.  When I mentioned that so many
>                 parents couldn’t do simple algebra, your answer was
>                 that you checked with your engineers and they said why
>                 should they, we have calculators?
>                  
>                 Personally, I think that Algebra I, Geometry I, and
>                 Trigonometry I or Trig/pre-calc should be mandatory
>                 for graduation from high school.  (Personally, I would
>                 like to substitute Algebra II in place of Geometry,
>                 but that’s just me.)  But in order to be successful in
>                 those classes, students need the foundations from
>                 Primary and Middle schools.  But none of this is
>                 simple.  We don’t want the Federal Government
>                 involved, we want it at state level.  The problem with
>                 state level is that we quickly reach the point where a
>                 high school diploma from one state isn’t comparable to
>                 one from another.  I am not sure that is good either. 
>                 I particularly like the Abitur path in Western
>                 Europe.  But there the students and parents are
>                 interested in education.  In the U.S., education is
>                 the number one commodity for which people strive to
>                 get the least for their money.  Before anything will
>                 work, we need to fix that.  And I don’t know how to
>                 change attitudes.  Our kids simply don’t give a shit.
>                  
>                 *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>                 <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>                 [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of
>                 *John Quayle
>                 *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 10:37 PM
>                 *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List <rushtalk at csdco.com
>                 <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>>
>                 *Subject:* [Rushtalk] Laughable............
>                  
>
>
>                   No, Algebra Isn't a 'Civil Rights Issue,' and Kids
>                   Aren't That Stupid
>                   <http://em.mrc.org/v0850LUb0KYSRinfB00L000>
>
>                 <http://em.mrc.org/v0850LUb0KYSRinfB00L000>
>                 In the latest move to dumb down society to the point
>                 where our brains no longer function at all, one
>                 community college chancellor is now suggesting high
>                 schools and colleges nix algebra classes because
>                 they’re too hard.
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