[Rushtalk] Laughable............

John Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Sun Jul 23 19:04:58 MDT 2017

/*I took physics as an undergrad and never used calc.......*/

On 7/22/2017 11:40 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
> For Calculus I believe that.  I have found no practical use other than 
> moving through physics.  I am sure it is useful in Chemistry, also.  
> But when I needed help, it was the physicists who could do it.
> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] 
> *On Behalf Of *John Quayle
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:32 AM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Laughable............
> */Actually, Stephen, I went to engineers when I worked for GE and had 
> calculus. Not a single one of them could explain it to me. Most didn't 
> even try. The company comptroller said to me, "we don't use that crap 
> anymore for forecasting." /*
> On 7/22/2017 8:48 AM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>     Interesting, John.  When I mentioned that so many parents couldn’t
>     do simple algebra, your answer was that you checked with your
>     engineers and they said why should they, we have calculators?
>     Personally, I think that Algebra I, Geometry I, and Trigonometry I
>     or Trig/pre-calc should be mandatory for graduation from high
>     school.  (Personally, I would like to substitute Algebra II in
>     place of Geometry, but that’s just me.)  But in order to be
>     successful in those classes, students need the foundations from
>     Primary and Middle schools.  But none of this is simple.  We don’t
>     want the Federal Government involved, we want it at state level. 
>     The problem with state level is that we quickly reach the point
>     where a high school diploma from one state isn’t comparable to one
>     from another.  I am not sure that is good either.  I particularly
>     like the Abitur path in Western Europe.  But there the students
>     and parents are interested in education.  In the U.S., education
>     is the number one commodity for which people strive to get the
>     least for their money.  Before anything will work, we need to fix
>     that.  And I don’t know how to change attitudes.  Our kids simply
>     don’t give a shit.
>     *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
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>     [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *John Quayle
>     *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 10:37 PM
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>     *Subject:* [Rushtalk] Laughable............
>       No, Algebra Isn't a 'Civil Rights Issue,' and Kids Aren't That
>       Stupid <http://em.mrc.org/v0850LUb0KYSRinfB00L000>
>     <http://em.mrc.org/v0850LUb0KYSRinfB00L000>
>     In the latest move to dumb down society to the point where our
>     brains no longer function at all, one community college
>     chancellor is now suggesting high schools and colleges nix algebra
>     classes because they’re too hard.
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