[Rushtalk] Laughable............

Tom Matiska tom.matiska at att.net
Mon Jul 24 09:37:12 MDT 2017


At orbital velocities, Einstein's relativity increases the mass of the space station by about three billionths.  It also slows down your clock..... atomic, Mickey Mouse, or otherwise.   Every 99 years or so you would need a leap second.    Tom
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    On Monday, July 24, 2017 10:29 AM, Stephen Frye <stephen.frye at outlook.com> wrote:
 

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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:42 AM
To: rushtalk at csdco.com
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Laughable............    Yep. Kinematics

v = dx/dt
a = dv/dt

thus Newton's law.

Fnet = d(mv)/dt

What you took, John, may have been the equivalent of high school physics rather than engineering physics.

v = d / t
a = v / t
Fnet = m ∙ a

On 7/23/2017 9:38 PM, Stephen Frye wrote: 
Hard to imagine.  For intro to physics of motion we needed differential calculus, and integral calculus for magnetism and electricity.  Then on to differential equations and multi variable.  Good for you!   I guess, though, that you could do some motion work with just basic trig.   From:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com]On Behalf Of John Quayle
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:05 PM
To: rushtalk at csdco.com
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Laughable............                       I took physics as an undergrad and never used calc.......   On 7/22/2017 11:40 PM, Stephen Frye wrote: 
For Calculus I believe that.  I have found no practical use other than moving through physics.  I am sure it is useful in Chemistry, also.  But when I needed help, it was the physicists who could do it.   From:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com]On Behalf Of John Quayle
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:32 AM
To: rushtalk at csdco.com
Subject: Re: [Rushtalk] Laughable............                       Actually, Stephen, I went to engineers when I worked for GE and had calculus. Not a single one of them could explain it to me. Most didn't even try. The company comptroller said to me, "we don't use that crap anymore for forecasting."    On 7/22/2017 8:48 AM, Stephen Frye wrote: 
Interesting, John.  When I mentioned that so many parents couldn’t do simple algebra, your answer was that you checked with your engineers and they said why should they, we have calculators?   Personally, I think that Algebra I, Geometry I, and Trigonometry I or Trig/pre-calc should be mandatory for graduation from high school.  (Personally, I would like to substitute Algebra II in place of Geometry, but that’s just me.)  But in order to be successful in those classes, students need the foundations from Primary and Middle schools.  But none of this is simple.  We don’t want the Federal Government involved, we want it at state level.  The problem with state level is that we quickly reach the point where a high school diploma from one state isn’t comparable to one from another.  I am not sure that is good either.  I particularly like the Abitur path in Western Europe.  But there the students and parents are interested in education.  In the U.S., education is the number one commodity for which people strive to get the least for their money.  Before anything will work, we need to fix that.  And I don’t know how to change attitudes.  Our kids simply don’t give a shit.   From:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com]On Behalf Of John Quayle
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:37 PM
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Subject: [Rushtalk] Laughable............   
No, Algebra Isn't a 'Civil Rights Issue,' and Kids Aren't That Stupid
  In the latest move to dumb down society to the point where our brains no longer function at all, one community college chancellor is now suggesting high schools and colleges nix algebra classes because they’re too hard.  




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