[Rushtalk] Laughable............

John Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Mon Jul 24 20:16:28 MDT 2017



On 7/24/2017 6:42 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> Yep. Kinematics
>
> v = dx/dt
> a = dv/dt
>
> thus Newton's law.
>
> F_net = d(mv)/dt
>
> What you took, John, may have been the equivalent of high school 
> physics rather than engineering physics.

/*            I'll buy that, Dennis......I don't have the mental 
wherewithall to withstand anything more advanced!*/
>
> v = d / t
> a = v / t
> F_net = m ∙ a
>
> On 7/23/2017 9:38 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>>
>> Hard to imagine.  For intro to physics of motion we needed 
>> differential calculus, and integral calculus for magnetism and 
>> electricity.  Then on to differential equations and multi variable.  
>> Good for you!
>>
>> I guess, though, that you could do some motion work with just basic trig.
>>
>> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] 
>> *On Behalf Of *John Quayle
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:05 PM
>> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Laughable............
>>
>> */I took physics as an undergrad and never used calc......./*
>>
>> On 7/22/2017 11:40 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>>
>>     For Calculus I believe that.  I have found no practical use other
>>     than moving through physics.  I am sure it is useful in
>>     Chemistry, also.  But when I needed help, it was the physicists
>>     who could do it.
>>
>>     *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>>     <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>>     [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *John Quayle
>>     *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:32 AM
>>     *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Laughable............
>>
>>     */Actually, Stephen, I went to engineers when I worked for GE and
>>     had calculus. Not a single one of them could explain it to me.
>>     Most didn't even try. The company comptroller said to me, "we
>>     don't use that crap anymore for forecasting." /*
>>
>>     On 7/22/2017 8:48 AM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>>
>>         Interesting, John.  When I mentioned that so many parents
>>         couldn’t do simple algebra, your answer was that you checked
>>         with your engineers and they said why should they, we have
>>         calculators?
>>
>>         Personally, I think that Algebra I, Geometry I, and
>>         Trigonometry I or Trig/pre-calc should be mandatory for
>>         graduation from high school.  (Personally, I would like to
>>         substitute Algebra II in place of Geometry, but that’s just
>>         me.)  But in order to be successful in those classes,
>>         students need the foundations from Primary and Middle
>>         schools.  But none of this is simple.  We don’t want the
>>         Federal Government involved, we want it at state level.  The
>>         problem with state level is that we quickly reach the point
>>         where a high school diploma from one state isn’t comparable
>>         to one from another. I am not sure that is good either.  I
>>         particularly like the Abitur path in Western Europe.  But
>>         there the students and parents are interested in education. 
>>         In the U.S., education is the number one commodity for which
>>         people strive to get the least for their money. Before
>>         anything will work, we need to fix that.  And I don’t know
>>         how to change attitudes.  Our kids simply don’t give a shit.
>>
>>         *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>>         <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>>         [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *John Quayle
>>         *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 10:37 PM
>>         *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List <rushtalk at csdco.com>
>>         <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>>         *Subject:* [Rushtalk] Laughable............
>>
>>
>>           No, Algebra Isn't a 'Civil Rights Issue,' and Kids Aren't
>>           That Stupid <http://em.mrc.org/v0850LUb0KYSRinfB00L000>
>>
>>         <http://em.mrc.org/v0850LUb0KYSRinfB00L000>
>>
>>         In the latest move to dumb down society to the point where
>>         our brains no longer function at all, one community college
>>         chancellor is now suggesting high schools and colleges nix
>>         algebra classes because they’re too hard.
>>
>>
>>
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