[Rushtalk] Ridiculous!

Stephen Frye stephen.frye at outlook.com
Sat Sep 16 17:42:20 MDT 2017

You have cited the whole problem.
“, than your moral behavior as mentioned within the Bible. Checkmate!”

Collective use of I, we, etc.  You are indeed trying to regulate my life and behavior by your religion.  I won’t tolerate that from Muslims, why should I tolerate it from you?

Catholicism, and then Christianity in general,  has been shoved down the throats of people for hundreds of years.  No wonder people are finally pushing back.  We brought that on ourselves.  We need to attract people to Christianity by our example, by our openness, by our forgiveness, and by our invitation true peace and love.  We’ll get nowhere by demanding.

Demanding and indoctrination are what is causing us to lose so many of our young people.  They see the gross misuse of Holy Scripture, and they call us on it.  Our unwillingness to respond in a realistic way is causing them to throw away the entire concept.  We are no longer an ignorant people who will follow something as abstract as religion when we see little sign of its teachings in everyday life – even from the pat-themselves-on-the-backs Bible thumpers.  There is far too much hypocrisy.  When it comes to Holy Scripture, so many of us can’t see the forest for the trees.  And we are being called on that, too.  Our common response of hellfire and brimstone doesn’t (and will probably never again) work.  As a species, we are past that.  People must be attracted to Christianity by love and forgiveness and example.  Intimidation won’t work anymore.  The Inquisition, denial of medical assistance, cutting off earlobes etc. are ways of the past that are outdated.  No one is paying attention.  And they never will again, unless we drastically change our approach.

BTW, I think a lot of Jews would disagree with Christianity claiming the Bible as solely its own.  Also part of the problem.  We are arrogant.  Most people, myself included, will neither tolerate nor willingly associate with arrogance.  It is distasteful.

From: rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] On Behalf Of John Quayle
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                    I'm sorry, Stephen, but you couldn't be more wrong if you had my .45 pointed at your head. Here's my proof:

John Jay, Original Chief-Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court ,  "The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts."
Benjamin Franklin, Signer of the Declaration of Independence "[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."  [John Q sez: We are there right now, aren't we? I mean corrupt and vicious.]

Robert Winthrop, Speaker of the U. S. House,  "Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them or by a power without them; either by the Word of God or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet."

Fisher Ames author of the final wording for the First Amendment wrote,  "[Why] should not the Bible regain the place it once held as a school book? Its morals are pure, its examples captivating and noble. The reverence for the Sacred Book that is thus early impressed lasts long; and probably if not impressed in infancy, never takes firm hold of the mind."

            The Bible is a Christian book and many of the founders have quotes that mention the Bible's role in our freedoms. NOBODY is demanding anything of you, per se, than your moral behavior as mentioned within the Bible. Checkmate!While our government has (figuratively) declared it open season on anybody but Muslims, I maintain that we are still a Christian nation.

On 9/16/2017 7:04 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
No, we are not.  We are a nation where faith is not important to our citizenry, and especially (thankfully) to our government.  I am Catholic.  That aside, you - the collective you - have no right whatsoever to demand/expect me - the collective me - to adhere to the tenets of your religion.  At the same time, as long as you - collective you - are not infringing on my - collective me - rights, then your freedom of religion must be respected.

But all of this is off point from the original thread topic.

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On Sep 16, 2017, at 1:15 PM, John Quayle <blueoval57 at verizon.net<mailto:blueoval57 at verizon.net>> wrote:

                    T.S.! We are a Christian nation! I don't care one iota what Obama thinks, either!

On 9/16/2017 11:53 AM, Stephen Frye wrote:
Which is EXACTLY what atheists say about Christian icons.

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                    Look, I don't even wanna see heteros making out in public. There's a time and a place for that - Main Street isn't it!

Army officer who halted lesbians' public 'make-out' punished

The military has rules and regulations about public displays of affection.

This decorated combat-veteran lieutenant colonel had to enforce them at a military ball.

That was the beginning of his troubles.

Now he's fighting for his career because the military's rules and regulations that should protect him suddenly don't apply ...

Read the latest now on WND.com.<http://wec.wnd.com/t/857732/3003990/537945/5/>


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