[Rushtalk] Ridiculous!

John Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Sat Sep 16 21:06:55 MDT 2017

On 9/16/2017 10:53 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
> You are totally missing the point, John.  And I have gone down similar 
> roads with you in the past.  Get off your high horse of “I am right, 
> you are wrong.  Case closed.”  You’re too close to even see.
> I do not have blinders on.  Quite the contrary, actually. Disagreeing 
> with you – or anyone – does not automatically constitute blinders.  
> Nor am I wearing earplugs.
> Of course Islam is being shoved down our throats.  I don’t like that, 
> either.  It took hundreds of years for society to finally say “enough” 
> to having Christianity pushed on them, so I am hopeful it will not 
> take that long with Islam.
> And you are absolutely right:  society is the arbiter of societal 
> norms.  Thank you.  It is not your religion, my religion, anyone’s 
> religion.
/*And who ever said otherwise?!? It wasn't me, certainly..................*/
> You are off the deep end.  Poor conduct by religious zealots is 
> exactly what turns people off to religion!  As it happened with 
> Christianity, so it will happen to Islam.  But we discussed that 
> already.  It will take time – hopefully less.
/*I fear much brutality in the interim............just MHO. */
> As far as worshipping with a chip on my shoulder – exactly where do 
> you get off assuming you are privy to something so vile?  Do you have 
> – or think you have – some special insight into my personal 
> relationship with God?  That is both arrogant and ignorant.  I worship 
> God the way I chose – such is absolutely none of your f’ing business.
/*What you are displaying, Stephen - regardless of the reality of the 
situation - is that you worship in anger, with a chip on your shoulder. 
As a Catholic, we are called to follow the Magisterium. I'm positive 
that you already know this. You're right. It's none of my business 
whether you do or you don't. */
> I constantly read and hear Holy Scripture cited for two purposes:
> One – To condemn someone else
> Two – to justify killing, hatred, war, etc.
/*Hopefully, you don't experience this during Mass..............*/
> I hear and read – here – folks who are masters at citing anecdotal 
> passages of Holy Scripture for exactly those two purposes, while 
> ignoring – or not seeing – the true purpose and meaning of that deeply 
> meaningful collection of writings. Such bastardizations even angered 
> Jesus in His time.  We are also called to love one another as Jesus 
> loved us.  When I read about that really happening, or see it really 
> happening – as a norm, not anecdotal, I’ll let you know.
> The problem is, I can rationalize all of this.  I can.  I am as good 
> at it as the next person.  I also know that such is not what is 
> expected of me.  Deep down, we all do.
/*Snowflakes in Berkeley likely do not (devil's advocate, 
> I also know, in my heart of hearts, that I will not be judged on the 
> number of TV’s I have, the size of those TV’s, the kinds of cars in my 
> driveway, the square footage of my home.
/*Of course not. That would be absurd and a mockery of your faith. */
> As a Christian, I will be judged by the answer to the one question 
> that matters, and that will explain everything.
> If a significant number of us could answer with a resounding “yes”, we 
> wouldn’t be in the position we are in.  We are in the condition we are 
> because of our own conduct, not the conduct of others.
> *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] 
> *On Behalf Of *John Quayle
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2017 7:21 PM
> *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Ridiculous!
> On 9/16/2017 7:42 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>     You have cited the whole problem.
>     “*/, than your moral behavior as mentioned within the Bible.
>     Checkmate!”/*
>     Collective use of I, we, etc.  You are indeed trying to regulate
>     my life and behavior by your religion.  I won’t tolerate that from
>     Muslims, why should I tolerate it from you?
> */Stephen, I am not the arbiter of societal norms - society is! Let's 
> establish that much! /*
>     Catholicism, and then Christianity in general,  has been shoved
>     down the throats of people for hundreds of years.  No wonder
>     people are finally pushing back.  We brought that on ourselves. 
>     We need to attract people to Christianity by our example, by our
>     openness, by our forgiveness, and by our invitation true peace and
>     love.  We’ll get nowhere by demanding.
> */If you'll take off your blinders for five seconds and unplug your 
> ears, you'll find that Islam is now being shoved down our collective 
> throat. Is that any more palatable?!? /*
>     Demanding and indoctrination are what is causing us to lose so
>     many of our young people. They see the gross misuse of Holy
>     Scripture, and they call us on it.
> */Do you suppose they'll be up for beheadings, then?/*
>     Our unwillingness to respond in a realistic way is causing them to
>     throw away the entire concept.  We are no longer an ignorant
>     people who will follow something as abstract as religion when we
>     see little sign of its teachings in everyday life – even from the
>     pat-themselves-on-the-backs Bible thumpers.  There is far too much
>     hypocrisy.  When it comes to Holy Scripture, so many of us can’t
>     see the forest for the trees.  And we are being called on that,
>     too.  Our common response of hellfire and brimstone doesn’t (and
>     will probably never again) work.  As a species, we are past that. 
>     People must be attracted to Christianity by love and forgiveness
>     and example. Intimidation won’t work anymore.
> */Run that concept by the Muslims, then. I dare 
> you....................they'll separate your head from your body 
> before you ever get all of the words out of your mouth. /*
>     The Inquisition, denial of medical assistance, cutting off
>     earlobes etc. are ways of the past that are outdated.  No one is
>     paying attention.  And they never will again, unless we
>     drastically change our approach.
>     BTW, I think a lot of Jews would disagree with Christianity
>     claiming the Bible as solely its own.  Also part of the problem. 
>     We are arrogant.  Most people, myself included, will neither
>     tolerate nor willingly associate with arrogance.  It is distasteful.
> */Name another religion who has laid claim to the Bible as a 
> foundation of their beliefs, then. Judaism has the Torah and the 
> Talmud. Islam has the Qu'ran. I strongly suggest you stop worshiping 
> God with that huge chip on your shoulder. It drags you down and is 
> unbecoming for a disciple of Christ - what Catholics are called to be. /*
>     *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>     <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>     [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of *John Quayle
>     *Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2017 4:18 PM
>     *To:* rushtalk at csdco.com <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Ridiculous!
>     */I'm sorry, Stephen, but you couldn't be more wrong if you had my
>     .45 pointed at your head. Here's my proof:/*
>       John Jay, /Original Chief-Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court/ , 
>       "The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God
>       and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the
>       next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by
>       its precepts."
>       Benjamin Franklin, /Signer of the Declaration of Independence/
>       "[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations
>       become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
>       [John Q sez: We are there right now, aren't we? I mean corrupt
>       and vicious.]
>     *Robert Winthrop, /Speaker of the U. S. House,/  "Men, in a word,
>     must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them or by
>     a power without them; either by the Word of God or by the strong
>     arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet."*
>     *Fisher Ames/author of the final wording for the First Amendment
>     wrote/,  "[Why] should not the Bible regain the place it once held
>     as a school book? Its morals are pure, its examples captivating
>     and noble. The reverence for the Sacred Book that is thus early
>     impressed lasts long; and probably if not impressed in infancy,
>     never takes firm hold of the mind."*
>     ***/The Bible is a _Christian_ book and many of the founders have
>     quotes that mention the Bible's role in our freedoms. _NOBODY_ is
>     demanding anything of you, per se, than your moral behavior as
>     mentioned within the Bible. Checkmate!While our government has
>     (figuratively) declared it open season on anybody but Muslims, I
>     maintain that we are still a Christian nation. /*
>     On 9/16/2017 7:04 PM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>         No, we are not.  We are a nation where faith is not important
>         to our citizenry, and especially (thankfully) to our
>         government.  I am Catholic.  That aside, you - the collective
>         you - have no right whatsoever to demand/expect me - the
>         collective me - to adhere to the tenets of your religion.  At
>         the same time, as long as you - collective you - are not
>         infringing on my - collective me - rights, then your freedom
>         of religion must be respected.
>         But all of this is off point from the original thread topic.
>         Sent from my iPhone
>         On Sep 16, 2017, at 1:15 PM, John Quayle
>         <blueoval57 at verizon.net <mailto:blueoval57 at verizon.net>> wrote:
>             */T.S.! We are a Christian nation! I don't care one iota
>             what Obama thinks, either!/*
>             On 9/16/2017 11:53 AM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>                 Which is EXACTLY what atheists say about Christian icons.
>                 *From:*rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com
>                 <mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com>
>                 [mailto:rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com] *On Behalf Of
>                 *John Quayle
>                 *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 9:25 PM
>                 *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List <rushtalk at csdco.com>
>                 <mailto:rushtalk at csdco.com>
>                 *Subject:* [Rushtalk] Ridiculous!
>                 */Look, I don't even wanna see heteros making out in
>                 public. There's a time and a place for that - Main
>                 Street isn't it!
>                 /*
>                 */
>                 /*Army officer who halted lesbians' public 'make-out'
>                 punished
>                 The military has rules and regulations about public
>                 displays of affection.
>                 This decorated combat-veteran lieutenant colonel had
>                 to enforce them at a military ball.
>                 That was the beginning of his troubles.
>                 Now he's fighting for his career because the
>                 military's rules and regulations that should protect
>                 him suddenly don't apply ...
>                 Read the latest now on WND.com.
>                 <http://wec.wnd.com/t/857732/3003990/537945/5/>
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