[Rushtalk] Alert: The California 3-State Split is a Massive Liberal Trojan Horse

John Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Sat Apr 28 10:01:39 MDT 2018


/*Is Jerry Brown out of term eligibility? If not, he could very easily 
destroy the state in one more term.*/


On 4/28/2018 11:46 AM, Stephen Frye wrote:
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> Won’t happen.
>
> *From:* rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> *On 
> Behalf Of *Steven Laib
> *Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2018 6:31 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Alert: The California 3-State Split is a 
> Massive Liberal Trojan Horse
>
> Exactly what my examination of the proposal suggested.
>
> The big cities would dominate the three states giving California three 
> times the representation in the Senate as it has now.  It would have a 
> disastrous effect on the balance of power in WDC.
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com 
> <mailto:cwsiv at juno.com>> wrote:
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>     *    Alert: The California 3-State Split is a Massive Liberal
>     Trojan Horse*
>     By Cillian Zeal
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>     April 16, 2018 at 9:56am
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>     Print If you follow politics, you’ve probably heard by now about
>     the proposed California referendum that could split the Golden
>     State into three states.
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>     The measure
>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.foxnews.com%2F2018%2F04%2F12%2Fproposal-calls-california-be-split-three-states-billionaire-tim-draper-explains&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=M%2BjW6mdDkETQU%2BbPbrxOIrtK1kJIZ67xHYfy8vzaxC4%3D&reserved=0>,
>     proposed by billionaire Tim Draper, isn’t necessarily new.
>     Draper’s forces had previously tried to get a measure to split
>     California into multiple states onto the ballots in 2014 and 2016,
>     but didn’t get enough signatures.
>
>     This year, roughly 600,000 signatures were collected, easily
>     surpassing the 365,880 needed to put a referendum to a statewide vote.
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>     The proposal would split California into three states: California,
>     which would encompass Los Angeles, Monterey, San Benito, San Luis
>     Obispo, Santa Barbara and Ventura counties and have 12.3 million
>     residents; Southern California, which would include Fresno,
>     Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mono, Orange, Riverside, San
>     Bernardino, San Diego and Tulare counties and a population of 13.9
>     million people; and Northern California, which would include the
>     rest of the state’s 40 counties, including San Francisco and
>     Silicon Valley, and count 13.3 million individuals among its numbers.
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>     For conservatives entranced by the possibility of Calexit
>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconservativetribune.com%2Fsecession-liberal-conservative-divide%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=CaUYxvtX%2Bvl9oNEP8PitFTmvigSbdryeBscZQHDC4Lo%3D&reserved=0>,
>     proposed after President Donald Trump’s victory in 2016, the idea
>     of splitting California up for better representation might seem
>     like a good idea.
>
>     You shouldn’t buy it, though. As Red State
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>     notes, it’s nothing more than the ultimate gerrymander designed to
>     increase the liberal stranglehold on the Golden State.
>
>
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>     It’s worth noting that no matter what California voters do at the
>     polls this November, it’s unlikely the measure would pass, at
>     least for now. In Article 4, Section 3 of the Constitution, it
>     states that “no new State shall be formed or erected within the
>     Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the
>     Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the
>     Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of
>     the Congress.”
>
>     The Trump administration will veto such a split, for reasons to be
>     laid out later. That means it would need two-thirds of both houses
>     of Congress to override the veto, something that clearly won’t
>     happen. If the Democrats controlled both houses and the
>     presidency, however, this plan would be on the fast track to
>     recognition, were Californians to vote for it.
>
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>     Draper and his allies have tried to paint the California split as
>     mostly a vote to change California’s broken state politics.
>     There’s no indication it would do that. It would, however, affect
>     national politics in a huge way.
>
>     What’s now California, which has two senators like any other
>     state, would instead get six — and it’s unlikely that any of them
>     would be conservative.
>
>     “Of those six senators, the four senators from Northern California
>     and (new) California would be uber-progressive communists in
>     perpetuity,” Red State notes.
>
>
>     “In addition, it is not guaranteed that Southern California would
>     have even one conservative senator, and most probably have two
>     RINO’s along the same lines of Arizona or Mississippi, or even
>     split like Florida
>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconservativetribune.com%2Fnobody-noticed-democrat-town-hall%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=rYftWfWCLTtXyyHNGsCinxN4NEEiNFRhWQtlzQmJRv8%3D&reserved=0>.
>     And with the current balance in the Senate, adding two more
>     progressive senators to the mix, along with the worst-case
>     scenario of one conservative + one RINO, would present a chill on
>     the current structure that would make it near-impossible to get
>     anything done from even a moderate-right stance, and help propel
>     the anti-American legislation that would nail the coffin into any
>     legislative relief.”
>
>     Then there’s the House. Red State estimates Southern California
>     would get 20 seats in the reapportionment, with 19 seats for
>     Northern California and 17 seats for California classic.
>
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>     There’s a catch to this, as usual: “California is made up of
>     districts that are currently near-100% Democrat-controlled
>     districts, while Northern California currently has about 70%
>     Democrat-controlled districts,” Red State notes. “However, with
>     the new states able to control their district configuration, it
>     would make it more likely that Northern California is going to
>     gerrymander the sprawling conservative population into fewer
>     districts, ensuring that progressives control 16 or 17 of the 19
>     seats.”
>
>     Furthermore, Minnesota, Texas and Washington would end up losing
>     seats under this plan. Two of those three states — Minnesota and
>     Washington — would likely gerrymander their districts so the GOP
>     would lose a seat, resulting in a likely cumulative loss of one seat.
>
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>     And that’s all a best-case scenario, assuming that Southern
>     California (or whatever it decides to rename itself after the
>     split, should it happen; the San Francisco Chronicle
>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sfchronicle.com%2Fpolitics%2Farticle%2FSplitting-California-in-three-would-be-different-12833111.php&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=FgbhHSM%2B82enb%2FP%2F1IqENCwn5z%2BfWFtV7%2FCxWvkSNUU%3D&reserved=0>
>     notes the new states would be able to vote on a name for
>     themselves) remains conservative. That’s far from certain,
>     particularly given immigration patterns
>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconservativetribune.com%2Frush-calls-for-illegals%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=ZVnI2cnC08XGJS5dEEMxxbxomBsNyshJGWB6sFJ3ur0%3D&reserved=0>.
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>     There are a number of other issues
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>     posed by this split, from apportioning the state’s ginormous debt
>     and pension responsibilities to deciding how water rights are
>     doled out. However, the biggest issue should be the fact this is
>     one giant gerrymander, little more than a naked attempt to throw
>     the balance of Congress in the favor of the Democrats.
>
>     Again, it’s worth noting what I previously stated: Unless the
>     Democrats get both houses of Congress in November and Trump
>     refuses to veto this — all three of which are unlikely to happen
>     together — any change to California isn’t going to happen.
>
>     However, that’s not to say it won’t appear at a later date,
>     particularly if there’s a Democrat in office. So if you ever
>     needed a reason to keep conservatives in office, this blatant
>     power grab ought to do it.
>
>
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