[Rushtalk] Alert: The California 3-State Split is a Massive Liberal Trojan Horse

John Quayle blueoval57 at verizon.net
Sat Apr 28 22:28:43 MDT 2018


/*Ex-Mayor of SF, right, Steve?*/

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On 4/28/2018 7:07 PM, Steven Laib wrote:
> Brown is finally limited out. The probability is that the next 
> governor will be Gavin Newsom who will be just as bad as more of Brown.
>
> On Apr 28, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Dennis Putnam <dap1 at bellsouth.net 
> <mailto:dap1 at bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>
>> I'd prefer secession myself.
>>
>> On 4/28/2018 11:46 AM, Stephen Frye wrote:
>>>
>>> Won’t happen.
>>>
>>> *From:* rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com <rushtalk-bounces at csdco.com> *On 
>>> Behalf Of *Steven Laib
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2018 6:31 PM
>>> *To:* Rushtalk Discussion List <rushtalk at csdco.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Rushtalk] Alert: The California 3-State Split is a 
>>> Massive Liberal Trojan Horse
>>>
>>> Exactly what my examination of the proposal suggested.
>>>
>>> The big cities would dominate the three states giving California 
>>> three times the representation in the Senate as it has now.  It 
>>> would have a disastrous effect on the balance of power in WDC.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Carl Spitzer {C Juno} <cwsiv at juno.com 
>>> <mailto:cwsiv at juno.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     *    Alert: The California 3-State Split is a Massive Liberal
>>>     Trojan Horse*
>>>     By Cillian Zeal
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>>>     April 16, 2018 at 9:56am
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>>>     Print If you follow politics, you’ve probably heard by now about
>>>     the proposed California referendum that could split the Golden
>>>     State into three states.
>>>
>>>     The measure
>>>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.foxnews.com%2F2018%2F04%2F12%2Fproposal-calls-california-be-split-three-states-billionaire-tim-draper-explains&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=M%2BjW6mdDkETQU%2BbPbrxOIrtK1kJIZ67xHYfy8vzaxC4%3D&reserved=0>,
>>>     proposed by billionaire Tim Draper, isn’t necessarily new.
>>>     Draper’s forces had previously tried to get a measure to split
>>>     California into multiple states onto the ballots in 2014 and
>>>     2016, but didn’t get enough signatures.
>>>
>>>     This year, roughly 600,000 signatures were collected, easily
>>>     surpassing the 365,880 needed to put a referendum to a statewide
>>>     vote.
>>>
>>>
>>>     The proposal would split California into three states:
>>>     California, which would encompass Los Angeles, Monterey, San
>>>     Benito, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara and Ventura counties and
>>>     have 12.3 million residents; Southern California, which would
>>>     include Fresno, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mono,
>>>     Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego and Tulare counties
>>>     and a population of 13.9 million people; and Northern
>>>     California, which would include the rest of the state’s 40
>>>     counties, including San Francisco and Silicon Valley, and count
>>>     13.3 million individuals among its numbers.
>>>
>>>     For conservatives entranced by the possibility of Calexit
>>>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconservativetribune.com%2Fsecession-liberal-conservative-divide%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=CaUYxvtX%2Bvl9oNEP8PitFTmvigSbdryeBscZQHDC4Lo%3D&reserved=0>,
>>>     proposed after President Donald Trump’s victory in 2016, the
>>>     idea of splitting California up for better representation might
>>>     seem like a good idea.
>>>
>>>     You shouldn’t buy it, though. As Red State
>>>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redstate.com%2Fdiary%2Fgopcongress%2F2018%2F04%2F13%2Fcalifornia-deception-3-state-progressive-monte%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=fXzFTpQJyOseVimaZBkD0arOdzJ7INdYNmLqJ6cPb5E%3D&reserved=0>
>>>     notes, it’s nothing more than the ultimate gerrymander designed
>>>     to increase the liberal stranglehold on the Golden State.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     It’s worth noting that no matter what California voters do at
>>>     the polls this November, it’s unlikely the measure would pass,
>>>     at least for now. In Article 4, Section 3 of the Constitution,
>>>     it states that “no new State shall be formed or erected within
>>>     the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by
>>>     the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without
>>>     the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well
>>>     as of the Congress.”
>>>
>>>     The Trump administration will veto such a split, for reasons to
>>>     be laid out later. That means it would need two-thirds of both
>>>     houses of Congress to override the veto, something that clearly
>>>     won’t happen. If the Democrats controlled both houses and the
>>>     presidency, however, this plan would be on the fast track to
>>>     recognition, were Californians to vote for it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Draper and his allies have tried to paint the California split
>>>     as mostly a vote to change California’s broken state politics.
>>>     There’s no indication it would do that. It would, however,
>>>     affect national politics in a huge way.
>>>
>>>     What’s now California, which has two senators like any other
>>>     state, would instead get six — and it’s unlikely that any of
>>>     them would be conservative.
>>>
>>>     “Of those six senators, the four senators from Northern
>>>     California and (new) California would be uber-progressive
>>>     communists in perpetuity,” Red State notes.
>>>
>>>
>>>     “In addition, it is not guaranteed that Southern California
>>>     would have even one conservative senator, and most probably have
>>>     two RINO’s along the same lines of Arizona or Mississippi, or
>>>     even split like Florida
>>>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconservativetribune.com%2Fnobody-noticed-democrat-town-hall%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=rYftWfWCLTtXyyHNGsCinxN4NEEiNFRhWQtlzQmJRv8%3D&reserved=0>.
>>>     And with the current balance in the Senate, adding two more
>>>     progressive senators to the mix, along with the worst-case
>>>     scenario of one conservative + one RINO, would present a chill
>>>     on the current structure that would make it near-impossible to
>>>     get anything done from even a moderate-right stance, and help
>>>     propel the anti-American legislation that would nail the coffin
>>>     into any legislative relief.”
>>>
>>>     Then there’s the House. Red State estimates Southern California
>>>     would get 20 seats in the reapportionment, with 19 seats for
>>>     Northern California and 17 seats for California classic.
>>>
>>>     *RELATED:* ‘Body of Evidence’ Emerging Tying Lynch, Comey
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>>>
>>>     There’s a catch to this, as usual: “California is made up of
>>>     districts that are currently near-100% Democrat-controlled
>>>     districts, while Northern California currently has about 70%
>>>     Democrat-controlled districts,” Red State notes. “However, with
>>>     the new states able to control their district configuration, it
>>>     would make it more likely that Northern California is going to
>>>     gerrymander the sprawling conservative population into fewer
>>>     districts, ensuring that progressives control 16 or 17 of the 19
>>>     seats.”
>>>
>>>     Furthermore, Minnesota, Texas and Washington would end up losing
>>>     seats under this plan. Two of those three states — Minnesota and
>>>     Washington — would likely gerrymander their districts so the GOP
>>>     would lose a seat, resulting in a likely cumulative loss of one
>>>     seat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     And that’s all a best-case scenario, assuming that Southern
>>>     California (or whatever it decides to rename itself after the
>>>     split, should it happen; the San Francisco Chronicle
>>>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sfchronicle.com%2Fpolitics%2Farticle%2FSplitting-California-in-three-would-be-different-12833111.php&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=FgbhHSM%2B82enb%2FP%2F1IqENCwn5z%2BfWFtV7%2FCxWvkSNUU%3D&reserved=0>
>>>     notes the new states would be able to vote on a name for
>>>     themselves) remains conservative. That’s far from certain,
>>>     particularly given immigration patterns
>>>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconservativetribune.com%2Frush-calls-for-illegals%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=ZVnI2cnC08XGJS5dEEMxxbxomBsNyshJGWB6sFJ3ur0%3D&reserved=0>.
>>>
>>>     There are a number of other issues
>>>     <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconservativetribune.com%2Fliberals-at-throats-california-housing-crisis%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C58c71ad600b546c9dba208d5aca7c36a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636604758891638896&sdata=5BtgzOvUu1jnQ7rBuaIWzV7pObm64omm0eSg9Gee96k%3D&reserved=0>
>>>     posed by this split, from apportioning the state’s ginormous
>>>     debt and pension responsibilities to deciding how water rights
>>>     are doled out. However, the biggest issue should be the fact
>>>     this is one giant gerrymander, little more than a naked attempt
>>>     to throw the balance of Congress in the favor of the Democrats.
>>>
>>>     Again, it’s worth noting what I previously stated: Unless the
>>>     Democrats get both houses of Congress in November and Trump
>>>     refuses to veto this — all three of which are unlikely to happen
>>>     together — any change to California isn’t going to happen.
>>>
>>>     However, that’s not to say it won’t appear at a later date,
>>>     particularly if there’s a Democrat in office. So if you ever
>>>     needed a reason to keep conservatives in office, this blatant
>>>     power grab ought to do it.
>>>
>>>
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